Car alarm help, car won't start Options

[lawngsx]

Well, I installed a TMO stage III two weekends ago. The car ran fine and by using the different options on the chip I was able to check and make sure it was an actual stage 3 (bought used). The problem came in when I went to run my clutch wire. Last year when a friend and I welded my clutch lever, he ended up disconnecting my clutch switch and tucking it up above the pedal assembly. This proved to be a problem once I wanted this harness again. So what I was forced to do was basically remove my entire dash. In order to do this, I had to disconnect some harnesses from the fuse box. Once I had run my new wire and put the dash back together I made absolutely sure I had the harnesses hooked back up to the fuse box properly. Once everything was back together I tried to start the car. I could hear a click in the engine bay and all of the electronics work such as the seat belts and lights, etc. but it still wouldn't turn over. So I did some troubleshooting and narrowed it down to the Viper alarm messing up. When I use the key fab to try to disarm the alarm I hear a click but nothing else happens (doors don't unlock). If I open the door and unlock them, the key fab can then lock the doors though. This tells me there is something that the alarm doesn't like that's telling it that the alarm has been tampered with. So I went under the dash again. There are 3 or 4 loose wires that are stripped, I tried every combination I could think of and still nothing happens. I also checked the fuse on teh alarm and it is fine.

What could I be missing?

If nothing else, I need to pull this alarm out. Does anyone have any idea how to do it? Is it simply going to be unpluging some harnesses adn then pluging the stock stuff back together or is this alarm goign to be spliced into my ignition?

Thanks a lot for the help guys. I was jsut going to try to go along and check through the whole mess but I'm goign to need this car running in 2 weeks so any help would be much appreciative.

[natedogg]

Jbone has installed some car alarms. He might be able to help you out.

Did you purchase a different Eprom ECU to install the stage 3 chip in? I know the Eprom ECU that I purchased has a factory security system installed in it. Found that out the other day when I came home to the horn honking and the headlights flashing. Anyway, I was thinking if you purchased a similar ECU with a factory security system on it, the viper system might be interfering and not allowing the car to start. Just a stab in the dark.

[Larz]

What does viper do? What makes it better than a regular car alarm?

[lawngsx]

Well part of the problem was fixed. This morning my roommate and I removed both the Viper alarm as well as the stock alarm. We had all of the stock wiring diagrams so we put it back to stock and then just left the stock alarm harness hanging there.

  What does viper do? What makes it better than a regular car alarm?

Nothing, I hated the damn thing. It was a ten year old time bomb.


So now that they are out, the car still doesnt' start. All of the relays and the starter are all clicking so I'm assuming it's not a wiring thing, plus I checked and all of the connectors are secure. The battery has plenty of juice and I just replaced the starter a year and a halp ago.

What else could this be? Did I still miss a harness somewhere?

[xian 1g]

have you checked for spark, fuel, or compression?

[Justincredible]

what year is your car. and what year is your ecu out of. were both the same transmission as yours?

[lawngsx]

The ECU is my stock 94 ECU.

The car now runs. I found in the electrical service manual that when you ground the clutch switch to the ECU (like TMO says to) it will bypass the ignition relay. So I clipped it and the car started right up. So now comes in the problem that it turns out that the colors of the wires on TMO's site are not the same colors on my car. Same switch, different wires.

http://tmo.com/howto/ecu1g/clutchwire.htm

If you look at figure 10 you'll see a green w/white strip adn a black. Well on my car I have a full green and black.

Am I missing something about this? Has anyone done this modification? I'm looking at the book that's for the first gens adn I know people that have stutter boxes in their cars so I know it's possible but I don't see how.

[natedogg]

I have the stutter box in my car, I can't remember the wire colors off the top of my head though. I'll check it out this evening and let you know.

Now that I look at the pic in figure 10 though, I think its just a bad quality pic or reflection of the flash off the green wire. If you read his instructions he never says anything about the wire having a white strip. If you have a full green and black wires, you probably have the right ones. Only way to know for sure is to give it a try. If it doesn't work, you can always wire the switch back to stock.

[lawngsx]

Well, I gave it a try and it still didn't work. It seems as though I've been ripped off adn sold a stage 2. I'm now thinking that I'll have my buddy bring his stage 3 ECU when he comes in a few weeks. Then I can just swap it in and see if that one works. I guess if nothing else, if his works and mine doesn't, I'll just rip his code adn burn it to mine.