found the problem, need a solution Options

[TSiwrx]

the white smoke was what i though originally. my turbo is bad. it smokes terribly all the time now. here are my possible solutions:
1.) drive it w/ the bad turbo till it finally dies completely and literally smoke everyone around me on the road.
2.) get my turbo rebuilt and spent another who knows how much on that.
3.) marcus at slo pny said it would be cheaper to get a 16g. my question on this is how much is a good used/ new 16g and what will i have to accomodate the bigger turbo. i already have a 255 fuel pump, but what about a new intercooler and pipes? injectors? fuel management?
4.) i have a place that i can get a garrett T3 ball bearing turbo new for around $250. how much different is this turbo as opposed to the 14b? what would i have to do to accomodate this one?
5.) i have sitting here a mitsubishi 12a turbocharger that is rebuilt and is originally from a starion. i understand that IF this would fit, it would be a loss in power, but could get me through till i have enough money to afford something else. does anyone know if the 12a will fit or not?

any and all advice is appreciated. thanks a lot.

[TSiwrx]

i am basically interested in getting the smoke to stop and the car running properly, so huge performance is not a big factor at this time. and the fact that im totally broke. im looking for 'relatively' cheap solutions. nothing like huge turbo with new pistons and rings and so on. ok im done

[SCCA Stang]

3.) marcus at slo pny said it would be cheaper to get a 16g. my question on this is how much is a good used/ new 16g and what will i have to accomodate the bigger turbo. i already have a 255 fuel pump, but what about a new intercooler and pipes? injectors? fuel management?

you can get a EVO III big 16G from buscher racing for round $535
I believe that you will need bigger injectors, but other than that you already have the 255 pump, you should be good to go, the intercooler, pipes, and fuel management would be nice but I dont think that it would be nessessary......if anyone else has better info feel free to add on or correct me if I am wrong!!!!!

[resalturbo]

$535 for a turbo- i thought he said he was broke-not rich

[KOU In3]

The cheapest solution, IMHO, is to find a decent used 14b from a credible source for ~100-150. Not the route I would go personally. I'd take the chance to upgrade and turn my broken part into a good thing.

But from what you're saying though about your circumstances, a good used 14B will be your best bet. I'd try to preserve the turbo a bit while you're looking by turning the boost down and trying to stay out of boost.

If you can get it rebuilt for close to the $150 then that will be a better bet budget wise as 100K mile turbos will go out eventually. If you need a loaner to rebuild and avoid downtime, you are welcome to 'borrow' one of my blown 14B's to have rebuilt and replace it with your broken one if you like.

Don't bother with the other turbos you mentioned, you'll spend more time and money trying to get them to fit than you would on a 16G (which you can run on your stock injectors and IC on low boost).

[AWD DSM 1]

Definately time for a 16g. I guess the turbo just couldn't take the 20psi boost spikes!

With a 16g you can run everything else stock, as long as you keep the boost moderate. You already have an exhaust, and fuel pump. I'd do a re-wire on the fuel pump if you didn't do that when you put it in. You also need to get a manual boost controler of some type asap. You might be able to limp around on the smoking turbo for quite a while if funds are that limited. Talk to Darryl (awdnot2), he might even be willing to set up some sort of payment plan?

Do not put bigger injectors in without some sort of fuel management. The T3 would be nice, but you would probably have to spend another $1500 in supporting mods to get it to work correctly.

[natedogg]

Definately time for a 16g.  I guess the turbo just couldn't take the 20psi boost spikes! 

Ouch! That'll kill an ole 14b pretty quick.

Like everybody's saying if you can afford it go with the 16g. It's a great turbo. You'll thank yourself in the long run.

[natedogg]

There's a thread on CII titled: Anything Off 90 Turbo Eclipse!! that might interest you, TSiwrx. Looks like he's parting it out. You could grab up that turbo.

[TSiwrx]

it sounds as though the 16g is the best bet. if anyone knows where i can get one that would be great. what should i talk to awdnot2 about? the guy at high-rev motorsports said he will sell me a new big 16g for like $700. i certainly cannot afford that. is there a place i can get one cheap? otherwise i might just get a used 14b and get it rebuilt.

[AWD DSM 1]

go to www.awdnot2.com or www.buschurracing.com. They've got small 16g's for like $500, or the big EVO III 16g for $535.

[awd4kicks]

The cost for a rebuilt 14b from my supplier is around $450. So personally I would find the extra bit of money to get a 16g in one form or another.

[ICGerms]

I've got a ported Big16G w/a larger (34mm) wastegate flapper I could let go for around $500. It's got about 4000 miles on it. I'll include the ported O2 housing, too. PM me if you're interested.

[SCCA Stang]

I've got a ported Big16G w/a larger (34mm) wastegate flapper I could let go for around $500. It's got about 4000 miles on it. I'll include the ported O2 housing, too. PM me if you're interested

hey tsi,
thats not a bad deal, I'd offer to give you my old 14b at a good price but it is still on the car, unless you want to wait untill I get a chance to unbolt it. is the turbo all you need???

[TSiwrx]

im pretty sure the turbo is all i need. what kind of shape is the one you have in? i would like to get ICGerms, but i dont have $500. if yours is in good condition and pretty cheap, i might have to go that way.

[SCCA Stang]

im pretty sure the turbo is all i need. what kind of shape is the one you have in? i would like to get ICGerms, but i dont have $500. if yours is in good condition and pretty cheap, i might have to go that way

its not real bad, but I wouldnt push it on the high boost levels, if you kept the boost levels down you could use it to get around a little better than you are now.
I dont know how much I want for it, make me an offer...

hey spy, what would a used turbo run for with not quite 100,000 miles

[TSiwrx]

if its not bad, ill take it i think. then maybe when i have money i can get mine rebuilt to a 20g or whatever was talked about earlier in the thread. anyone have more info on this? like what it is exactly and where? thanks a lot.

[TSiwrx]

like what kind of boost are you runnin in it right now? when could you have it off? im thinkin its definitly better than whats on there now.

[SCCA Stang]

I would say to help preserve the turbo the longest, dont push it over 12-14lbs.

I am not sure when axactly I could have it off, what would you be willing to pay for it.

[TSiwrx]

ill give ya $120 for it. that is all i have so hopefully that works. thanks.

[SCCA Stang]

ill give ya $120 for it. that is all i have so hopefully that works. thanks

when do you need it???

[TSiwrx]

whenever you can get if off pretty much. where are you at by the way? im in morton. what is stock psi and what is the psi you would recommend me to run? i now have a mbc so i can set it pretty much anywhere. id like a little more than stock buy not very much, i need this to last till i can afford a 16g or somthing else. thanks again.

[SCCA Stang]

whenever you can get if off pretty much. where are you at by the way? im in morton. what is stock psi and what is the psi you would recommend me to run? i now have a mbc so i can set it pretty much anywhere. id like a little more than stock buy not very much, i need this to last till i can afford a 16g or somthing else. thanks again.

I am in Morton as well, stock boost I believe is 7 lbs, but I would say that 10 lbs is completely safe and 12 or 14 would even be ok, as long as your boost controller doesn't let it spike massively (20 lbs and more)

let me see when I can have it off

[SPOOLED91]

stock on a 1st gen is 11psi.

[SCCA Stang]

stock on a 1st gen is 11psi

ok, i guess I was wrong, but i still would say that 14lbs is a good pressure to keep the turbo happy.

[TSiwrx]

ok well whenever you can get it off would be fine. ill probably run 12 or 13 psi. (it has to last me a while)

[natedogg]

stock on a 1st gen is 11psi.

It varies depending on what the logged knock history is on the car. An 'octane' number is monitored in the ECU that allows for different boost levels depending on the knock the car is seeing over time. This works as long as the car has the stock boost control solenoid (bcs). Gsxracer is actually correct in that the stock actuator spring is set at a measly 7 psi. If one's stock car is knocking bad, like on watered down, winter grade 87 octane Casey's gas the ecu will leave the bcs shut allowing none of the boost signal to be bypassed to the intake pipe so all you get is 7 psi and maybe a little creep from one's coked up O2 housing. The ECU will, of course, also take timing away from one, bringing one down to anywhere from 10 to 2 degrees of timing advance. If one's car is running optimal, like on 100 octane turbo blue, the ECU will recognize this by looking at the 0 count knock values over a period of time and leave the bcs open so the turbo is free to run up to 12 psi of boost. It will also let one's WOT timing run as high as 27-28 degrees advance. There is also a gray area between these two extremes where the ECU will send a calculated duty cycle to the solenoid varying the boost to whatever it deems reasonable between 7 and 12 psi. That's why you see some stock DSM's run 16's and other stock DSM's run 14's in the 1/4 mile.

[natedogg]

I have a bigger duel pump and run my 14b for the last tear and a half at 15-17psi. Get it logged and set the boost then leave it alone until you ptut race gas in her.

Where can I get a duel pump? That sounds cool. My car runs on...duel. Is that like dueling banjos? but instead dueling fuel pumps!? Sweet.

Btw, I've been drinking. Long Island Ice Teas. Sweet nectar of life. Aglaglaglagla. (Homer Simpson voice)

[SPOOLED91]

[QUOTE]Where can I get a duel pump? That sounds cool. My car runs on...duel. Is that like dueling banjos? but instead dueling fuel pumps!? Sweet.