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 Jul 12 2006, 12:57 PM
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Jul 12 2006, 01:02 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
Photoshop?
Doesn't look like there's enough room for the tranny in there. -------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Jul 12 2006, 01:03 PM
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 DSMCentral Freak Group: Tech Moderators Posts: 388 Joined: 19-September 02 From: Pekin Member No.: 11 |
nice photoshop work
-------------------- Brian J
1996 Talon TSI AWD Great indeed is the power of the dragon as the sun, yet humbly and slowly it meanders its way shy, minuscule indeed is the power of the tiny scorpion, yet it swaggers its tail and boasts to the sky. |
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Jul 12 2006, 01:08 PM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 9-December 02 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 52 |
QUOTE (AWD DSM 1 @ Jul 12 2006, 01:02 PM) Photoshop? Doesn't look like there's enough room for the tranny in there. I don't think it is a photshop. The V8 shouldn't be any longer than the stock 4-banger, and the GM FWD automatic sits mostly behind the engine. It looks like they grafted the entire Caddy front subframe under it. |
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Jul 12 2006, 07:39 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
QUOTE (scorp28 @ Jul 12 2006, 02:03 PM) nice photoshop work If you look really close at some of the hoses they are not quite the same in both pictures. it also looks like in plug wires are straight in one pic and then slightly angled in the second. Not to mention that the plug wires are more faded from lightening the engine image... -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 12 2006, 09:17 PM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,108 Joined: 2-October 05 From: Waverly, Illinois Member No.: 636 |
That is definatly not photo shop!
You can see where they welded the caddies subframe to the talon in the first pic. Right front corner under the headlight. -------------------- Thanks, Bud!
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Jul 12 2006, 09:46 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
Let's start here. The back right of the engine compartment from both images blown up 200%... Notice the readability of the mitsu build spec thingy. One has the DSM logo, the other...nope. How about its placement in relation to the four bolts on the firewall.
 Oh and what is that? The bolts are staggered a different direction too.  The solenoid wires on the firewall, huh those are different lengths and not the same in relation to the bolts either. I didn't say that it wasn't good work, but it is "shopped". -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 12 2006, 11:43 PM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Tech Moderators Posts: 388 Joined: 19-September 02 From: Pekin Member No.: 11 |
What got me to think it was shopped is in the first pic where the fender comes over the front of the front tire. Looks really fake. That and with the light source coming from the angle it is to be able to really see any shadows and the couple that I did notice after looking for awhile didn't seem consistent with the angle of the picture.
Better PS work than I can do right now. -------------------- Brian J
1996 Talon TSI AWD Great indeed is the power of the dragon as the sun, yet humbly and slowly it meanders its way shy, minuscule indeed is the power of the tiny scorpion, yet it swaggers its tail and boasts to the sky. |
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Jul 13 2006, 12:02 AM
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 DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 7-July 04 Member No.: 319 |
sorry guys but thats no photoshop.. as RacerX11 pointed out, you can clearly see in both pics where they welded the subframe on.
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Jul 13 2006, 07:25 AM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 400 Joined: 6-November 04 From: Urbana Member No.: 382 |
QUOTE (99Spyder @ Jul 12 2006, 09:46 PM) Let's start here. The back right of the engine compartment from both images blown up 200%... Notice the readability of the mitsu build spec thingy. readability always declines on non-full res pictures that are blown up also, the hoses could actualyl have moved, maybe the pics were taken at different times your reasons do not make it a chop thats for sure --------------------
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Jul 13 2006, 05:08 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
The reason the bolts look to be offset differently and at a different spacing from the plack is becaust the lower bolts are further back on the firewall than the top ones. At least that's what I'm seeing.
It looks like a chop to me because of the lighting difference on the plug wires versus the car and the sharp lines cut between the body and the engine. I can't say for sure but either way it's a lot of work. That kind of weight over the front wheels may even help cut down on some wheel spin. 
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Jul 13 2006, 05:22 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Jul 13 2006, 06:08 PM) The reason the bolts look to be offset differently and at a different spacing from the plack is becaust the lower bolts are further back on the firewall than the top ones. At least that's what I'm seeing. Try it with your glasses  on next time. Even in the original pictures it is obvious that the bottom left bolt is way closer to the plack than it is in the other picture.
-------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 13 2006, 05:23 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
QUOTE (haunter @ Jul 13 2006, 08:25 AM) your reasons do not make it a chop thats for sure OK, I will find you another 10 reasons why this thing is a shop job... -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 13 2006, 07:13 PM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 9-December 02 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 52 |
QUOTE (99Spyder @ Jul 13 2006, 05:23 PM) OK, I will find you another 10 reasons why this thing is a shop job... Go ahead, knock yourself out. You haven't showed me anything to convince me it is a shop. The offset bolt holes and plaque look right to me, but maybe that is because I can actually visualize and comprehend in 3D (No glasses required). Is a Northstar Talon that hard to swallow? |
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Jul 13 2006, 07:15 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,108 Joined: 2-October 05 From: Waverly, Illinois Member No.: 636 |
I want to know how it runs!
-------------------- Thanks, Bud!
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Jul 13 2006, 07:19 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
I can see the subframe under it too... nothing says it's a running car I guess. My biggest question is WHY? When you can build the stock turbo motor to make more power than that caddy motor, why go through the trouble?
-------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Jul 13 2006, 07:40 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,108 Joined: 2-October 05 From: Waverly, Illinois Member No.: 636 |
But..........
What if it was N/A? I think that would be more power than a stock N/A Talon. -------------------- Thanks, Bud!
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Jul 13 2006, 08:29 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
QUOTE (BudmannG @ Jul 13 2006, 07:40 PM) But.......... What if it was N/A? I think that would be more power than a stock N/A Talon. sell it and buy a turbo!! -------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Jul 13 2006, 08:47 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
QUOTE (haunter @ Jul 13 2006, 08:25 AM) readability always declines on non-full res pictures that are blown up also, the hoses could actualyl have moved, maybe the pics were taken at different times Both images were doubled in size, clarity should have been reduced equally. If you save the pictures to your system and view the advanced properties it indates that they were both taken 2/22/2006 at 6:33pm with a Sony MVC-CD500 camera. -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 13 2006, 09:04 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
The insulator (thicker part) on this hose seems to be a different length in each picture. Oh yeah, and it terminates into the motor mount?
-------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 13 2006, 09:16 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,108 Joined: 2-October 05 From: Waverly, Illinois Member No.: 636 |
That car looks like it had the 420a in it. That would be my guess because the fuse box is on the wrong side of the car. Is this right? I was just curious, as I have not seen the 420a in person.
-------------------- Thanks, Bud!
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Jul 13 2006, 09:27 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
QUOTE (RacerX11 @ Jul 13 2006, 08:13 PM) The offset bolt holes and plaque look right to me, but maybe that is because I can actually visualize and comprehend in 3D (No glasses required). Is a Northstar Talon that hard to swallow? So when you "visualize 3D" distances change? I understand the perspective being different but a bolt will not appear closer to the plaque because you move 6 feet to the right. There are plenty of othe little items (blurry pixels, brigthness differences, sharp eges, etc...) that indicate some editing work, but I am sure if you are a believer you will discount them as well. As far as hard to swallow... I have seen some nude Britney Spears pics online that look pretty good, and I want to believe, but when you see the blurry pixels around her neck all hope is lost  What is the story on these pics since you posted them? -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 13 2006, 10:00 PM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 9-December 02 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 52 |
QUOTE (99Spyder @ Jul 13 2006, 09:27 PM) So when you "visualize 3D" distances change? I understand the perspective being different but a bolt will not appear closer to the plaque because you move 6 feet to the right. There are plenty of othe little items (blurry pixels, brigthness differences, sharp eges, etc...) that indicate some editing work, but I am sure if you are a believer you will discount them as well. As far as hard to swallow... I have seen some nude Britney Spears pics online that look pretty good, and I want to believe, but when you see the blurry pixels around her neck all hope is lost What is the story on these pics since you posted them? It is quite clear you don't understand perspective. Oh well. I'll let you waste more of your time trying to convince us these pics are fake.
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Jul 13 2006, 10:57 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
I want the story... I'm sure that you have had a ride in it right? With that big ass wheel that will allow for 20 degree turns...
I am not going to invest any more time in it because you are either so narrow-minded that you can look through keyhole with both eyes, or you are screwing with me. -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 14 2006, 07:13 AM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 9-December 02 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 52 |
QUOTE (99Spyder @ Jul 13 2006, 10:57 PM) I want the story... I'm sure that you have had a ride in it right? With that big ass wheel that will allow for 20 degree turns... I am not going to invest any more time in it because you are either so narrow-minded that you can look through keyhole with both eyes, or you are screwing with me. No, I haven't ridden in it yet. But I don't need a ride to believe it. Story is, a guy had a Talon with a 420A, and wanted to swap in a Northstar. I guess you are too narrow-minded to believe this swap is possible. I will post more pictures when I get them. |
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Jul 14 2006, 07:41 AM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
QUOTE (RacerX11 @ Jul 14 2006, 07:13 AM) I will post more pictures when I get them. you didn't tell us you had more pics! 
-------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Jul 14 2006, 10:54 AM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 9-December 02 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 52 |
QUOTE (AWD DSM 1 @ Jul 14 2006, 07:41 AM) QUOTE (RacerX11 @ Jul 14 2006, 07:13 AM) I will post more pictures when I get them. you didn't tell us you had more pics! I don't right now. But I will get more and post them. It may take a while, since it takes time to do a proper photoshop. |
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Jul 14 2006, 11:01 AM
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 Zen Master DSM Group: Moderators Posts: 3,008 Joined: 10-January 01 From: in front of you Member No.: 5 |
We can argue about this all day, but lets try not to make it personal guys.
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Jul 14 2006, 12:54 PM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 400 Joined: 6-November 04 From: Urbana Member No.: 382 |
QUOTE (RacerX11 @ Jul 14 2006, 10:54 AM) QUOTE (AWD DSM 1 @ Jul 14 2006, 07:41 AM) QUOTE (RacerX11 @ Jul 14 2006, 07:13 AM) I will post more pictures when I get them. you didn't tell us you had more pics! I don't right now. But I will get more and post them. It may take a while, since it takes time to do a proper photoshop. rofl
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Jul 14 2006, 05:43 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
QUOTE (AWD DSM 1 @ Jul 14 2006, 01:19 AM) I can see the subframe under it too... nothing says it's a running car I guess. My biggest question is WHY? When you can build the stock turbo motor to make more power than that caddy motor, why go through the trouble? NO YOU DITN't! If I weren't trying to keep my Talon in a pristene stock like appearance I would LOVE to shoe-horn a V8 into that bitch. I'd like to do a Dave busher RWD but with a big bad V8 stuffed in there with a tactfull yet menacing scoop on the hood to create curiosity. In fact that Caddy motor and transmission would be better at the rear axle. Take everything but steering and suspension from the front and use the torque in the V8 to drive wheel stands down the road. Oh Yeah! There's nothing wrong with ingenuity. Shiat...if it's turbos you love there room for two on the V8! Let's get a shell and Frankenstien one up. 
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Jul 14 2006, 05:54 PM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 25-June 04 From: 61554 Member No.: 314 |
I got my old auto just sitting collecting dust
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Jul 14 2006, 06:56 PM
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Info Seeker Group: Members Posts: 51 Joined: 7-June 06 From: Mackinaw IL Member No.: 906 |
that is a crazy huge motor. i change oil in those motos all day.
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Jul 17 2006, 02:43 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Ok so we could use that old auto Talon of Mitsu90 or any one of the hundreds of shells that Treydawd has had laying around...
But no one want's to bite off something like that? Why did this thread die? Even Marty (RacerX11) got quiet! You got the mad tight welding skillz Marty! Let's do this thing. Well after I get a boat, 3 cars, and a pool all put together. Then I'm wide open.
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Jul 17 2006, 03:20 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,108 Joined: 2-October 05 From: Waverly, Illinois Member No.: 636 |
I do believe scrapinframe has a manual AWD. If that would be better or not?
-------------------- Thanks, Bud!
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Jul 17 2006, 03:34 PM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 9-December 02 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 52 |
QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Jul 17 2006, 02:43 PM) But no one want's to bite off something like that? Why did this thread die? Even Marty (RacerX11) got quiet! You got the mad tight welding skillz Marty! Let's do this thing. Well after I get a boat, 3 cars, and a pool all put together. Then I'm wide open. I am in the same boat as you, Marcus. I have three project cars lined up to be finished. One of which is stuffing a V8 into a small car, so I don't really need another. I am willing to provide technical expertise if people are serious about doing this. |
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Jul 17 2006, 03:36 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
That V8 into a small car wouldn't by chance be the Northstar project would it?
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
Greatness comes from the most unexpected places! |
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Jul 17 2006, 03:42 PM
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 Post Master Group: Members Posts: 729 Joined: 19-September 02 From: New Baden, IL Member No.: 7 |
QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Jul 14 2006, 05:43 PM) QUOTE (AWD DSM 1 @ Jul 14 2006, 01:19 AM) I can see the subframe under it too... nothing says it's a running car I guess. My biggest question is WHY? When you can build the stock turbo motor to make more power than that caddy motor, why go through the trouble? NO YOU DITN't! If I weren't trying to keep my Talon in a pristene stock like appearance I would LOVE to shoe-horn a V8 into that bitch. I'd like to do a Dave busher RWD but with a big bad V8 stuffed in there with a tactfull yet menacing scoop on the hood to create curiosity. In fact that Caddy motor and transmission would be better at the rear axle. Take everything but steering and suspension from the front and use the torque in the V8 to drive wheel stands down the road. Oh Yeah! There's nothing wrong with ingenuity. Shiat...if it's turbos you love there room for two on the V8! Let's get a shell and Frankenstien one up. Were you drunk when you wrote this? 
-------------------- -The original (member) 007. Stop looking at me Spy!!
-98 S-10 P/U creepin' low on stock 15s!! -You come off just a little more intelligent if you know how to spell the insults in addition to saying them |
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Jul 17 2006, 03:43 PM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 9-December 02 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 52 |
QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Jul 17 2006, 03:36 PM) That V8 into a small car wouldn't by chance be the Northstar project would it? Nope. That is somebody else's project I found out about. Mine is secret :-) |
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Jul 17 2006, 03:56 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
QUOTE (JBone @ Jul 17 2006, 09:42 PM) QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Jul 14 2006, 05:43 PM) QUOTE (AWD DSM 1 @ Jul 14 2006, 01:19 AM) I can see the subframe under it too... nothing says it's a running car I guess. My biggest question is WHY? When you can build the stock turbo motor to make more power than that caddy motor, why go through the trouble? NO YOU DITN't! If I weren't trying to keep my Talon in a pristene stock like appearance I would LOVE to shoe-horn a V8 into that bitch. I'd like to do a Dave busher RWD but with a big bad V8 stuffed in there with a tactfull yet menacing scoop on the hood to create curiosity. In fact that Caddy motor and transmission would be better at the rear axle. Take everything but steering and suspension from the front and use the torque in the V8 to drive wheel stands down the road. Oh Yeah! There's nothing wrong with ingenuity. Shiat...if it's turbos you love there room for two on the V8! Let's get a shell and Frankenstien one up. Were you drunk when you wrote this? Not a drop. I just get a little crazy when people get a too extreme IMO on keeping a car as designed or are afraid to tinker. We can build it better, faster and stronger, without the restraints of pleasing the general public for higher sales numbers. Make it your way. You CAN DO IT... ALL NIGHT LONG!
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Jul 17 2006, 08:27 PM
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Post Master Group: Members Posts: 729 Joined: 19-September 02 From: New Baden, IL Member No.: 7 |
AWD on CRACK!!!
-------------------- -The original (member) 007. Stop looking at me Spy!!
-98 S-10 P/U creepin' low on stock 15s!! -You come off just a little more intelligent if you know how to spell the insults in addition to saying them |
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Jul 17 2006, 09:46 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
I think you said that just cause your pissed at your car right now....
 I've got a complete 4-bolt 350 sitting in my garage Marcus.... Heads need rebuilt, but there's the heart of your beast if you're serious.
-------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Jul 18 2006, 04:14 AM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Tech Moderators Posts: 388 Joined: 19-September 02 From: Pekin Member No.: 11 |
I have brand new, still in box hydraulic Engle Racing cam with 480 lift 274 dur. on intake and exhaust, Iskenderian racing hydraulic lifters, and valve springs good to a .520 lift. These parts should be good to over 7000 rpm's in a small block.
I was saving them for when I got around to doing my 350 in a small car but I don't see that happening in the near future so I might be willing to let them go. -------------------- Brian J
1996 Talon TSI AWD Great indeed is the power of the dragon as the sun, yet humbly and slowly it meanders its way shy, minuscule indeed is the power of the tiny scorpion, yet it swaggers its tail and boasts to the sky. |
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Jul 18 2006, 06:58 AM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,108 Joined: 2-October 05 From: Waverly, Illinois Member No.: 636 |
Good man Scorp!
Well Marcus you have a good start. -------------------- Thanks, Bud!
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Jul 18 2006, 07:16 AM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
I got over being pissed at my car for being broken over a year or two ago.
The four bolt small block and cam parts is starting to sound appealing. To back up my claims for those that have only known my DSM adventrues. I've still got a 46 Ford truck that I stripped, cut the entire frame apart, rewelded back together with all tubular cross supports at a narrow gage to fit a MustangII front suspension crossmember (Regular Street Rod swap), boxed in the frame at the ends for stiffness, fabricated new spring perches for the rear and bolted in a Chevy Rear suspension at that narrow gage by removing and re-welding new mounts on the axle housing. Custom motor mounts for a Ford small block and new cab supports were all fabbricated and welded on as well. In short I had total disregard for most of what the engineers had designed this truck for and made it the way I wanted and could afford at the time. This spirit still runs through every project I do, it's just temperd a bit now by nowing the less things you change at one time the better chances you have of getting thigs running a lot quicker. AWD on the CRACK.
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Jul 18 2006, 10:44 PM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 177 Joined: 14-January 03 From: Bloomington Member No.: 66 |
Is that 274 adv? That seems like a very small cam for 7000rpms.
Then again, I wouldn't go with a hydraulic again unless it was a roller. I've got a 454 shortblock if you'd really want to go big. |
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Jul 19 2006, 06:45 AM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
I've obviously got a good supply line for all things 5.0 & T-5.
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
Greatness comes from the most unexpected places! |
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Jul 19 2006, 07:24 AM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Jul 19 2006, 06:45 AM) I've obviously got a good supply line for all things 5.0 & T-5. I hate all things 5.0.... I've got a .060 4 bolt block in the shed, it might clean up nice with a hone. Even got a spare engine stand to put the project engine on... -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Jul 19 2006, 07:51 AM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
Maybe we should put together a DSMCentral PINKS car to compete against the CSS crew!
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Jul 19 2006, 07:59 AM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 25-June 04 From: 61554 Member No.: 314 |
I suggested that once before
I offer my auto AWD as a track only car since the title it not anygood, I bekive you need a clear title to go on pinks 
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Jul 19 2006, 11:36 PM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 7-July 04 Member No.: 319 |
i've still got my awd chassis. and it has a clear title.
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