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KOU In3
post Jun 11 2004, 12:50 PM
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OK, it's come up indirectly a number of times but am I the only one that questions this whole FWD highway ownership thing? It seems like it's become an accepted fact that the FWD's are 50% faster from a roll.

Yes, the AWD weigh 400 or so pounds more.

Yes, there is an AWD drivetrain loss.

BUT, turning the AWD components only saps power to a point. I'm not sure I buy into the hype of 400 flywheel HP turning into 300whp as compared to it only losing half that amount in a FWD.

At stock turbo power levels yes, I can see the difference there but when you start really modding things I'm less certain.

This is when I'm waiting to hear the FFF cars (factory freak FWD cars chime in) with some arguements.

*Beware, the "Marucs at 12.6" arguement I plan on countering with though. tongue.gif *


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post Jun 12 2004, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE (JMoushon @ Jun 12 2004, 09:59 AM)
God stuff, Nate. I guess that is very similar to what I was trying to say, but I lacked the motivation to elaborate as much. However, after the drivetrain loss becomes a relative non-issue, what becomes of the inherent weight disadvantage? It would seem that once a car reaches 400hp, 400lb would make less of a difference, but add 400lb to what is still roughly 5% less wheel hp, and logic says the fwd will still walk away. I believe this whole issue is very subjective, and that it stems from the fact that the two configurations feel completely different. It has always seemed to me that the fwd cars have more "legs," and that they accelerate harder in the top three gears.

I agree. The weight issue is always apparent. My post was focused more on the drivetrain loss issue. Given equal hp, lighter is quicker, no doubt.
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- KOU In3   FWD highway dominance- Fact or Fiction?   Jun 11 2004, 12:50 PM
- - awd4kicks   I used to have this argument until one day some ti...   Jun 11 2004, 01:03 PM
- - KOU In3   This is the common scenario that I think plays out...   Jun 11 2004, 01:31 PM
- - Rollout   I constantly got owned on the highway(car length o...   Jun 11 2004, 01:33 PM
- - MidwestDSM   I've noticed that my FWD picks up pretty well ...   Jun 11 2004, 06:00 PM
- - JMoushon   1G fwd, 14b, 17psi, 3"dp/side exhaust, 2G tb ...   Jun 11 2004, 06:02 PM
- - KOU In3   From a 14B standpoint I can see it. As per the ex...   Jun 11 2004, 07:25 PM
- - akamiami   I leave fwd's and rwd's from a roll, but t...   Jun 11 2004, 07:25 PM
- - Coiled   Take that dash back out?   Jun 11 2004, 08:04 PM
- - Rollout   To give you guys another idea... My friend (fwd gs...   Jun 11 2004, 11:29 PM
- - JMoushon   KOU, you may have a point of reference soon enough...   Jun 12 2004, 01:01 AM
- - awd4me   i dont see how you think mods are going to change ...   Jun 12 2004, 01:19 AM
- - JMoushon   I believe that he is implying that once you reach ...   Jun 12 2004, 01:31 AM
- - Benny Z   QUOTE (akamiami @ Jun 11 2004, 07:25 PM)I lea...   Jun 12 2004, 08:13 AM
- - natedogg   A post of mine from a couple of years ago on this ...   Jun 12 2004, 08:59 AM
- - KOU In3   That's pretty much EXACTLY what I was driving ...   Jun 12 2004, 09:55 AM
- - JMoushon   God stuff, Nate. I guess that is very similar to ...   Jun 12 2004, 09:59 AM
- - akamiami   QUOTE (Benny Z @ Jun 12 2004, 02:13 PM)how li...   Jun 12 2004, 11:38 AM
- - natedogg   QUOTE (JMoushon @ Jun 12 2004, 09:59 AM)God s...   Jun 12 2004, 11:53 AM
- - natedogg   QUOTE (KOU In3 @ Jun 12 2004, 09:55 AM)Ironic...   Jun 12 2004, 12:00 PM
- - awd4kicks   Yeah..the 144 is is lighter than most FWD's wi...   Jun 12 2004, 12:04 PM
- - natedogg   QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Jun 12 2004, 12:04 PM)Note...   Jun 12 2004, 12:17 PM
- - KOU In3   QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Jun 12 2004, 06:04 PM)The ...   Jun 12 2004, 01:32 PM
- - JMoushon   I know that you are not referring directly to me, ...   Jun 12 2004, 01:46 PM
- - xian 1g   i doubt i'm 12.6 and 13.0 is a hard reach, but...   Jun 12 2004, 01:57 PM
- - KOU In3   Sorry about that JMoushon, I didn't intend it ...   Jun 12 2004, 02:00 PM
- - JMoushon   All good, brotha! I didn't take offense. ...   Jun 12 2004, 02:14 PM
- - akamiami   unfortunately analube won't be present tomorro...   Jun 12 2004, 02:27 PM
- - JMoushon   I would write "anal lube" on my windshie...   Jun 12 2004, 02:29 PM
- - MidwestDSM   QUOTE (KOU In3 @ Jun 12 2004, 09:55 AM)My vot...   Jun 12 2004, 02:34 PM
- - wortdog   I ain't afraid of no bloody nugget   Jun 12 2004, 11:05 PM


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