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wortdog
post Dec 14 2004, 05:04 AM
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I have been chasing down a nasty misfire for the last couple of months(since the weather has cooled off and the air density has gone way up, basically). I changed plugs, wires, fuel pump, hotwired the pump, MAFs, ECUs, power transistor, and the coil pack. Seeing I was pretty high on the duty cycle with the injectors, I swapped to the ones I just bought for the Buick, 750cc. Don't buy GM style injectors for a DSM unless you're willing to hack them in a bit, they definately don't fit 'properly'.

I've recently acquired the means to burn DSM chips, so I burned a chip for a stock, unhacked MAF, 750cc injectors, 8k redline, and a patch that halves the Hz count from the MAF so that values up to 3200 Hz can be logged. This didn't fix the problem at all, although it did get my duty cycles down to 57% at 5k.

The MAF patch came in handy however, as it allowed me to note a disturbing trend in the data. Before 5k rpm, the airflow signal climbed a bit as the RPM went up, which is expected. After 5k, where it peaked at 1940 Hz or so, it started dropping dramatically. By 5200, it was knocking a bit, by 5500 it was completely cutting out. It was down to around 1300Hz right before it droppped dramatically as the car began cutting out. As I had already swapped MAF's before, and I was pretty close to the 2000 Hz point where the 1G MAF starts having issues with over-running, I decided to try a 2G MAF.

I burned a new chip to match the new MAF, along with some duct tape, some sacrificial 1G wiring connectors, and a borrowed 2G MAF, and it was back to datalogging. This time, the data looked a lot better, with airflow tracking RPM for the most part, nice stable 0.89 O2s, and only 8-10 counts of knock at the top of 4th gear. Still had a slight pop to it.

Then I remembered that I had purposely swapped in janky plugs to see if I could change the problem at all. A quick swap back to NGK-R plugs, and the pop went away, along with some of the knock cool.gif Duty cycle is up to 71% around 6800, which seems a bit high for just a port-matched EVO III 16G. Boost is creeping up to 18psi from a set 15psi on the boost controller, so I don't think I have a major boost leak, but I can't rule that out. I did notice on the way back into town that the outside temperature was only 17 degrees, so that may explain the large fuel thirst.

Big thanks to KOU Motorsports for letting me borrow a sensor to test. I imagine I'll have to give it back fairly soon, and I'll need the injectors for the Buick anyway. My current thought is to get a set of 660s or 720s and run a GM MAF straight to the ECU with no translator. There is a group of people working on this, and we're probably 25% away from doing it. There are also a couple of people working on a speed-density style re-write of the ECU code, so that a 3-bar MAP sensor would replace the MAF entirely ala HKS VPC. Some interesting things in store for the DSM EPROM ECU, assuming they quit exploding left and right. I noticed some cap leakage on mine for the first time tonight sad.gif


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Eric Wort
87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans)
92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim)
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post Dec 16 2004, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE (wortdog @ Dec 15 2004, 04:34 PM)
In open loop, the ECU still uses the MAF trims for fueling, it just doesn't update the trims based on the O2 feedback. The O2 signal is never directly used to change the fueling, it just changes the Low, Medium, or High fuel trim depending on what Load Point(based on airflow/rev). The appropriate trim is then applied to the MAF signal no matter if the car is in closed loop or open loop.

I'm aware of this. I guess I'm just saying what the ECU thinks is an appropriate trim isn't necessarily what I would view as an appropriate trim from a pure WOT performance standpoint. That's why its nice to be able to manipulate the MAF signal to tune the car even if I do have to fight the ECU a while. Another reason why it would be great to just change fuel and timing maps real time on the DSM ECU without having to "fool" it by adjusting the MAF signal. smile.gif
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- wortdog   Its not so slow anymore   Dec 14 2004, 05:04 AM
- - awd4kicks   This is some of the most interesting stuff I'v...   Dec 14 2004, 07:39 AM
- - xian 1g   i've got cash for a chip, if your willing. na...   Dec 14 2004, 09:10 AM
- - JBone   My GOD!! Your knowledge and ability is dow...   Dec 14 2004, 11:54 AM
- - turbohcar   I've got that 2G MAS that's hacked in the ...   Dec 14 2004, 12:06 PM
- - haunter   I am taking credit for making it take longer by si...   Dec 14 2004, 02:04 PM
- - xian 1g   QUOTE half of the night what are you talking abou...   Dec 14 2004, 02:55 PM
- - turbohcar   OWN3D! BTW, congrats Eric, I'd like to re...   Dec 14 2004, 03:50 PM
- - JMoushon   Awesome stuff Eric. Do you think at any time you ...   Dec 14 2004, 03:52 PM
- - wortdog   QUOTE (xian 1g @ Dec 14 2004, 03:10 PM)i...   Dec 14 2004, 03:53 PM
- - wortdog   QUOTE (JMoushon @ Dec 14 2004, 09:52 PM)Aweso...   Dec 14 2004, 04:07 PM
- - wortdog   Just got done turning the boost up, since I only h...   Dec 14 2004, 11:41 PM
- - wortdog   http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dsm-ecu/   Dec 15 2004, 12:13 AM
- - natedogg   That's some cool stuff, Eric. It would be gre...   Dec 15 2004, 11:35 AM
- - wortdog   If someone was willing to initially go for large e...   Dec 15 2004, 03:16 PM
- - natedogg   Its a good step in the right direction and I agree...   Dec 15 2004, 04:11 PM
- - wortdog   I actually only burned one chip for the 1G MAF, an...   Dec 15 2004, 04:34 PM
- - natedogg   QUOTE (wortdog @ Dec 15 2004, 04:34 PM)In ope...   Dec 16 2004, 08:14 AM
- - wortdog   If you're willing to spend some cash, there is...   Dec 16 2004, 12:44 PM
- - natedogg   Those are some cool websites. Thanks for the link...   Dec 17 2004, 08:10 AM


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