DSMCentral Member Work Shop, The next Level? Options

[awd4kicks]

I have had discussions with a couple other core DSMCentral members and I feel the next level of DSMCentral may be upon us.

More to the point I propose a shop space with a vehicle lift that can be accessible to members on a share plan. I do not want to open up a shop for profit necessarily, but one that will be a support point for DSMCentral members and a place to congregate. The place I have in mind is near the intersection of Rt24 and Rt116 (Between Peoria, E. Peoria, and Germantown Hills). There are a few options to this shop area. I can procure a one stall heated and air conditioned space, or a larger 2 stall long heated space, or a very large non heated or air conditioned space. Any of the locations will include my lift and a garage door to get away from the out door elements. The landlord is pretty laid back performance oriented guy that I am friends with.

The tentative plan would be each member brings their own tools and has the lift for a predesignated amount of time. This time will be preplanned on a calender for the most part, but I'm sure there will be a lot of open time where members can just pull their vehicle on for some quick repairs or check overs. All paying members will be welcome at anytime we designate the shop to be open. ALL DSMCentral members will be welcome to hang out while paying members are there. The local club house so to speak.

The details need to be worked out and the membership fee will vary between $25-$40 a month for full access. Regardless of the final amount or details of the shop, a years worth of membership will need to be prepaid once the details are hammered out. This will ensure our ability to procure the building for a full year and cut down on collecting payments hassles. Depending on the number of paying members, non-paying members may be able to rent the lift and shop space for small periods of time when it is empty (I'm thinking say $25 for half a day...WAY cheaper than going to a repair shop, but more expensive than Full membership.)

For reference the cheapest shop rate I know of was SloPny at $50-$55 per hour. That included an experienced tech to do the work, but at that rate one full day at the DSMCentral workshop can pay for it's self for the full year.

Some may wonder about insurance hassles and I don't plan on having any. The Land lord will have his appropriate building insurance, but all members will be required to sign a waiver for any problems, injury,loss or damage. The price will surely be too high if we have to get some sort of insurance. I will be checking into the legalities and details of this in the mean time.

So please make a selection on the Poll and pass along any ideas or questions you may have right here.

Thanks!
Marcus

[xian 1g]

Spy:

All tools and such will be brought in by the perspective member using the facility at that time, I most certainly will not be leaving my tools there.

That's the point I'm trying to stress.

There are enough core group members within 5 miles of this structure to open as needed. Schedueling the non-tenured members and keeping the scheduel wont be a problem for the most part, the communication between the group is very high. This Site can even house a scheduel section etc, and temporary passkey codes can be sent via pm...

I still don't think you realize the amount of time and pm trails it is going to take to accomplish this.

I believe most the "Shady assfuckers" you are refering too are in your neck of the woods, not here. That aside, its pretty damn tough to steal a 2500lb car lift, and essential save a few couches, fridge, tv etc... There isnt much there of value.

Don't chuck e-spears. I can make a pretty long list of 'shady assfuckers' in your neck of the woods. All woods have them.

'that aside' I never mentioned the stealing of a lift. the point was tools, or damage to the lift.

4. No phone calls, there is no shop, therfore no phone.

your point 4 contradicts your point 1. quoted above in your own words.

CII and Dsmcentral are two very very seperate entitys. Dsmcentral has had the same core group of members for 5+ years, there is enough stability in the core to push this along and let if thrive.

Yes they are two very different entitys. But, the 'shared shop' is still the same idea. What you are suggesting is five or six of the 'core' members running a non-profit shop. I am saying you are better off running profit shop. You will invest a lot more time and effort than what you think, imho.

Im curious how Travis would have any input that is relevant to this situation, nor do I personally see any opinion he has about it as being relevant, save protecting potential business assets of his, vs giving dsm owners a place to congergate, learn and work side by side with other like minded individuals. Seeing that Kicks has owned a shop, saw all ends of it and still continues to follow his dream, allots him mountains of respect.

Your logic is irrational. How is Markus allotted respect for having owned a shop, and Travis owning a shop not given 'respect'. I think the two best players as far as ideas on how to, and things to look out for would be those two. They both have experience in that field.

Also, I don't see such said thing as hurting KOU business. In fact, it promotes a better interest in the community, grows the community, and helps out actually. Most of the people I see using this, allready wouldn't pay a shop to touch their car for the most part. They, if they must bring their own tools, are probally well set up in their garage already to do what they have to do.

Furthermore, KOUmotorsports has only, and will always support Crebotech, Marcus. Infact, if you go to the KOUmotorsports website, you will notice that rather doing isc rebuilds in house, we supply a link to crebo tech. We have a long good standing relationship with Marcus, and even when he was at slopony, we sent people his way and went to him for our transmission needs.


Hell, I also do believe we sent people your way for business even when you were throwing a big e-tamptrum.

As far as the 40$ an hour charge for the labor rate at KOUmotorsports... Kinda seems in life, you get what you pay for.

Good points however. I could see how some of the Champaign folks would be hesitant about this idea, you wont be able to make use of it as we Peoria based members will.. Just know you all are welcome at DSMcentral. (The name of the site, the name of the club.)

Cheers....

Dan, don't chuck insults and e-spears at me. I don't appreciate it. We have no beef. And quite frankly, you don't make me feel welcome on dsmcentral, or at any dsmcentral event when you act this way online.


overall, in a perfect world, I think the idea is very cool, and helps dsmcentral as well car enthusiasm in the local area out. I honestly think though, that you guys are investing a lot of time, more than you think, imho, to have no life and reap no rewards from it.

Basically, what I'm saying, is that the goals for DSMcentral from this are great. But, for this to run, and run as planned, you are giong to have someone, if not a crew of people that have to act as a manager. A manager to shop, shoe store, whatever, takes a lot of time and effort. I'm just saying becarefull about putting yourself out. there's no need to be childish with me, when I'm looking after your best intrest.. Marcus didn't attack me.

You should take this as helpfull thoughts and concerns, that are being brought to the table. I think Marcus understood better where I was going with my suggestions/ concerns.