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badbu68
post Aug 29 2006, 09:21 PM
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I know some of you were interested in this considering the detonation resistance of 105 octane. You should be awaire though that the like gasoline, different winter blends cause different properties, apparently w/ e85 it's a 70% ethanol 30% gasoline blend. Anyway, check this out for tuning properties, I know it's a subie site but just try and overlook that;

http://www.cobbtuning.com/tech/instruction...ubarusv1.08.xls
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post Sep 2 2006, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Aug 31 2006, 11:52 AM)
If you can truely get more power out of it without much trouble that's a good thing.

And I'm not bashing anyone, but 300 miles on $30 bucks and 311 miles on $30 bucks in reality is a wash for me. I think the example is good and concise, but may even be a bit optimistic on the 10%, so the savings could be less.

More power is more power though. biggthumpup.gif

I am not sure if you really are getting that much more from it overall if you look at the British Thermal Units (BTU) produced from it.

CLICK HERE is a site I found that talks about it.

and we just talked about this in school too and our books show these values for different fuels

2D diesel 141,800 BTU/gal
1D diesel 137,000 BTU/gal
Gasoline 110,000 BTU/gal
Butane 103,000 BTU/gal
Propane 92,500 BTU/gal
Ethanol 80,000 BTU/gal
CNG/LPG 75,000 BTU/gal
Methanol 55,000 BTU/gal

and the definition of a BTU is how much heat energy the fuel will produce when burned

so with that in mind I am thinking that Gasoline producing more BTU's accually produces more power per unit.

the only way that we are getting more power from Ethanol is from the lower volitility (a fuels ability to vaporize) which happens to reduce the likelyhood of preignition and detonation, thus we are able to run more compression, more boost and more advanced timing.

if we can simply control detonation and preignition while running gasoline we can do more with gasoline than ethanol


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- badbu68   E85   Aug 29 2006, 09:21 PM
- - turbohcar   Technically it's supposed to be 85% ethanol (h...   Aug 30 2006, 06:51 AM
- - Kazz5   Yes, and what's not being advertised/mentioned...   Aug 30 2006, 09:38 AM
- - turbohcar   ^^That too.   Aug 30 2006, 11:30 AM
- - scorp28   Yes you are getting less MPG but with the price be...   Aug 30 2006, 01:36 PM
- - haunter   QUOTE (scorp28 @ Aug 30 2006, 01:36 PM)Yes yo...   Aug 30 2006, 03:47 PM
- - The Iron Goat   Everyone I've talked to that runs E85 says its...   Aug 30 2006, 08:34 PM
- - scorp28   QUOTE (haunter @ Aug 30 2006, 04:47 PM)QUOTE ...   Aug 31 2006, 04:32 AM
- - The Iron Goat   The people I've talked to have all been NA, if...   Aug 31 2006, 11:01 AM
- - Kazz5   Well, the real net here is that you'll use mor...   Aug 31 2006, 11:02 AM
- - awd4kicks   If you can truely get more power out of it without...   Aug 31 2006, 11:52 AM
- - AWD DSM 1   Part of the draw to the E85 is that it's produ...   Aug 31 2006, 12:04 PM
- - The Iron Goat   Don't get any of my comments wrong, I think E8...   Aug 31 2006, 02:41 PM
- - badbu68   Here's just some more info on e85. Yes, it bu...   Aug 31 2006, 06:06 PM
- - turbohcar   http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php and info for the...   Aug 31 2006, 08:03 PM
- - Kazz5   QUOTE (badbu68 @ Aug 31 2006, 06:06 PM)Here...   Sep 1 2006, 02:27 PM
- - haunter   QUOTE (AWD DSM 1 @ Aug 31 2006, 12:04 PM)Part...   Sep 1 2006, 02:41 PM
- - SCCA Stang   QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Aug 31 2006, 11:52 AM)If y...   Sep 2 2006, 12:07 AM
- - badbu68   Der, more compression. That's why most na car...   Sep 2 2006, 08:15 AM
- - badbu68   QUOTE (gsxracer80 @ Sep 2 2006, 01:07 AM)if w...   Sep 2 2006, 08:19 AM
- - ncgalant   QUOTE (badbu68 @ Sep 2 2006, 08:19 AM)QUOTE (...   Sep 2 2006, 02:43 PM
- - badbu68   I've heard a lot of people even running 7 gall...   Sep 2 2006, 04:26 PM
- - SCCA Stang   QUOTE Also, when I looked a few months ago at the ...   Sep 3 2006, 04:20 PM
- - badbu68   QUOTE (ncgalant @ Sep 2 2006, 03:43 PM)The st...   Sep 3 2006, 09:44 PM
- - natedogg   QUOTE (badbu68 @ Sep 2 2006, 08:19 AM)QUOTE (...   Sep 5 2006, 07:19 AM
- - badbu68   QUOTE (natedogg @ Sep 5 2006, 08:19 AM)Believ...   Sep 5 2006, 10:17 AM
- - natedogg   QUOTE (badbu68 @ Sep 2 2006, 08:15 AM)Der, mo...   Sep 5 2006, 11:28 AM
- - awd4kicks   RE: E85   Sep 7 2006, 06:21 AM


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