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Some ideas needed

Taxiwardance View Member Profile	Jan 30 2005, 11:04 PM Post #1
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Peoria Heights Member No.: 59	I've got an ACT 2600 installed that’s been in for about 6 or 7 months. Also installed at the same time was an ACT flywheel, and TSS clutch fork. Tranny is a jdm i picked up around the same time, lines and slave cyl are all fairly new. Never had any problem with it until tonight. I left earlier tonight and noticed the clutch felt a little stiff. As I was driving it was taking longer to come off of the floor than usual. By the time I got home when I push the pedal in it is very stiff and stays at floor unless I pull it back up. Any idea what might be the deal? Also a new mitsu TOB was installed as well.

MidwestDSM View Member Profile	Jan 30 2005, 11:47 PM Post #2
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 810 Joined: 9-July 03 From: Bloomington, IL Member No.: 151	clutch sticking to the floor usually means you are losing pressure in the master cylinder, but I don't remember the clutch getting HARDER to depress when that happens, but in fact easier. I do know the slave cylinders are prone to going out though. Check your master cylinder fluid level and see if it is where it should be, and if its not I would just get under the car and see where it is leaking from.

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Jan 30 2005, 11:48 PM

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damnit nick thats what I was typing........

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christian, i may be interested in your bottom end!

MidwestDSM View Member Profile	Jan 30 2005, 11:51 PM Post #4
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 810 Joined: 9-July 03 From: Bloomington, IL Member No.: 151	QUOTE (haunter @ Jan 30 2005, 11:48 PM) damnit nick thats what I was typing........ ha ha, you got owned by the biggest mechanical idiot evAr

Taxiwardance View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 12:04 AM Post #5
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Peoria Heights Member No.: 59	Fluid level is fine. Was maybe a mm under the full line i went ahead and topped it off. I looked for leaks and visually checked everything out but couldnt find anything.

Taxiwardance View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 12:06 AM Post #6
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Peoria Heights Member No.: 59	What are the odds of it being the pressure plate? From the symptoms thats what came to mind but it was installed new with the clutch.

xian 1g View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 12:18 AM Post #7
Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,035 Joined: 31-March 04 From: Chambana Member No.: 268	are you using an extended slave cylinder rod? -------------------- game over.

Taxiwardance View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 12:29 AM Post #8
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Peoria Heights Member No.: 59	QUOTE are you using an extended slave cylinder rod? No, but Its never caused any issues before tonight.

xian 1g View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 12:31 AM Post #9
Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,035 Joined: 31-March 04 From: Chambana Member No.: 268	act's, especially 2600's tend to eat them like cinamon toast crunch. causing engagement/disengagement issues. -------------------- game over.

Taxiwardance View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 12:38 AM Post #10
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Peoria Heights Member No.: 59	lmao, I have noticed that its been harder to get into first gear. When I try and get into 1st even with the clutch to the floor it grinds a little, then feels like its not fully disengaged. I will pull it and toss on a spare or see how the rod looks. Would that cause increased clutch pedal effort though?

Taxiwardance View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 12:49 AM Post #11
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Peoria Heights Member No.: 59	Not sure on the TOB. I'm hoping its something simple that doesn’t require dropping the trans. I'm going to go back out and check a few more things on it though. It doesn’t feel like the pedal hinge assembly is rusty or frozen that was one of the things I thought at first but it feels like pressure through the hydraulic system. I haven’t completely checked it out though so I'm going to go see if I cant figure something out.

Taxiwardance View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 01:18 AM Post #12
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Peoria Heights Member No.: 59	Well it's not a problem with anything in the transmission. I pulled the slave cyl off the trans and fork and still got the same problem. Went ahead and tossed on another slave cyl and bled the system but its still doing the same thing. So now I’m eyeing the master cylinder. Anything else it might be or should I probably just go ahead and pull it? And the rod was in perfect shape. But an extended rod wouldn’t hurt................ nevermind you people are sick!

Taxiwardance View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 01:44 AM Post #13
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Peoria Heights Member No.: 59	New development. Nevermind on the bleeding the system. When I switched slave's it leaked a little but when I tried to bleed it nothing would happen. I put the old one back on and same thing. The clutch is about 2 inches off of the floor and has pressure for those 2 inches or so. But it will not return to its original place. I can pull it all the way back up but when I press the pedal in it goes almost all the way to the floor until its gets to the last 2 inches or so then has a lot of pressure. Even with that amount of travel its still not pushing anything through the lines, so I'm assuming it has to be the master cylinder. How do I disconnect it from in the car under the dash? Its one of the few things I haven’t replaced on the car so I guess its time, could it still be anything else? Thanks for all the help.

Taxiwardance View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 03:34 AM Post #14
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Peoria Heights Member No.: 59	I'm almost sure its the master cylinder. I went ahead and pulled it and will replace it tomorrow. Damn that cotter pin took me forever to get out! Almost realigned my spine in the process. Any easier ways to get that out or back in without needing a chiropractor?

natedogg View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 08:05 AM Post #15
Zen Master DSM Group: Moderators Posts: 3,008 Joined: 10-January 01 From: in front of you Member No.: 5	Haha! Try doing it with a rollcage bar welded into the foot well.

MidwestDSM View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 01:45 PM Post #16
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 810 Joined: 9-July 03 From: Bloomington, IL Member No.: 151	nope, not really. a good tactic i've always used is just tipping my seat all the way back, and sliding in upside down. tilt your head up from time to time when your vision turns red

Taxiwardance View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 03:37 PM Post #17
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Peoria Heights Member No.: 59	Ok need a few more suggestions. I changed the master cylinder and I’m still having about the same problems. When I press the clutch pedal it travels about 2/3 of the way and seems to do nothing then it engages the rod to the master cylinder. So it has to be something in the clutch pedal assembly right? When I push the clutch it travels very easily and does not push on the rod for the master cyl until it reaches the last 1/3 of travel. Any one have similar issues before? Also it will not return the last 2/3 of travel it brings the pedal about 1/3 off the floor then you have to grab it and pull it back up to its original position. HELP!

Taxiwardance View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 03:43 PM Post #18
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Peoria Heights Member No.: 59	And god help me if I have to pull that master cylinder again! Man was that a pain in the ass. 3 hours later and the steering assembly and all the brackets are sitting in my garage.

MidwestDSM View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 04:01 PM Post #19
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 810 Joined: 9-July 03 From: Bloomington, IL Member No.: 151	sounds like maybe you need to adjust your clutch out

turbohcar View Member Profile	Jan 31 2005, 06:04 PM Post #20
DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,404 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Fletcher/Bloomington Member No.: 214	Try this. It may help, it may not. Just a thought though in case you want to check. http://www.taboospeedshop.com/clutch_pedal_assembly.htm -------------------- "I hear he tunes the space shuttle also...and that thing is fast"

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