 How to make a fast NA FWD DSM |
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 Jul 12 2006, 12:57 PM
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Person of Wisdom  Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 9-December 02 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 52  |
Discuss.
 
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Jul 12 2006, 01:02 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
Photoshop?
Doesn't look like there's enough room for the tranny in there. -------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Jul 12 2006, 01:03 PM
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 DSMCentral Freak Group: Tech Moderators Posts: 388 Joined: 19-September 02 From: Pekin Member No.: 11 |
nice photoshop work
-------------------- Brian J
1996 Talon TSI AWD Great indeed is the power of the dragon as the sun, yet humbly and slowly it meanders its way shy, minuscule indeed is the power of the tiny scorpion, yet it swaggers its tail and boasts to the sky. |
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Jul 12 2006, 01:08 PM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 9-December 02 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 52 |
QUOTE (AWD DSM 1 @ Jul 12 2006, 01:02 PM) Photoshop? Doesn't look like there's enough room for the tranny in there. I don't think it is a photshop. The V8 shouldn't be any longer than the stock 4-banger, and the GM FWD automatic sits mostly behind the engine. It looks like they grafted the entire Caddy front subframe under it. |
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Jul 12 2006, 07:39 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
QUOTE (scorp28 @ Jul 12 2006, 02:03 PM) nice photoshop work If you look really close at some of the hoses they are not quite the same in both pictures. it also looks like in plug wires are straight in one pic and then slightly angled in the second. Not to mention that the plug wires are more faded from lightening the engine image... -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 12 2006, 09:17 PM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,108 Joined: 2-October 05 From: Waverly, Illinois Member No.: 636 |
That is definatly not photo shop!
You can see where they welded the caddies subframe to the talon in the first pic. Right front corner under the headlight. -------------------- Thanks, Bud!
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Jul 12 2006, 09:46 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
Let's start here. The back right of the engine compartment from both images blown up 200%... Notice the readability of the mitsu build spec thingy. One has the DSM logo, the other...nope. How about its placement in relation to the four bolts on the firewall.
 Oh and what is that? The bolts are staggered a different direction too.  The solenoid wires on the firewall, huh those are different lengths and not the same in relation to the bolts either. I didn't say that it wasn't good work, but it is "shopped". -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 12 2006, 11:43 PM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Tech Moderators Posts: 388 Joined: 19-September 02 From: Pekin Member No.: 11 |
What got me to think it was shopped is in the first pic where the fender comes over the front of the front tire. Looks really fake. That and with the light source coming from the angle it is to be able to really see any shadows and the couple that I did notice after looking for awhile didn't seem consistent with the angle of the picture.
Better PS work than I can do right now. -------------------- Brian J
1996 Talon TSI AWD Great indeed is the power of the dragon as the sun, yet humbly and slowly it meanders its way shy, minuscule indeed is the power of the tiny scorpion, yet it swaggers its tail and boasts to the sky. |
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Jul 13 2006, 12:02 AM
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 DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 7-July 04 Member No.: 319 |
sorry guys but thats no photoshop.. as RacerX11 pointed out, you can clearly see in both pics where they welded the subframe on.
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Jul 13 2006, 07:25 AM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 400 Joined: 6-November 04 From: Urbana Member No.: 382 |
QUOTE (99Spyder @ Jul 12 2006, 09:46 PM) Let's start here. The back right of the engine compartment from both images blown up 200%... Notice the readability of the mitsu build spec thingy. readability always declines on non-full res pictures that are blown up also, the hoses could actualyl have moved, maybe the pics were taken at different times your reasons do not make it a chop thats for sure --------------------
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Jul 13 2006, 05:08 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
The reason the bolts look to be offset differently and at a different spacing from the plack is becaust the lower bolts are further back on the firewall than the top ones. At least that's what I'm seeing.
It looks like a chop to me because of the lighting difference on the plug wires versus the car and the sharp lines cut between the body and the engine. I can't say for sure but either way it's a lot of work. That kind of weight over the front wheels may even help cut down on some wheel spin. 
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Jul 13 2006, 05:22 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Jul 13 2006, 06:08 PM) The reason the bolts look to be offset differently and at a different spacing from the plack is becaust the lower bolts are further back on the firewall than the top ones. At least that's what I'm seeing. Try it with your glasses  on next time. Even in the original pictures it is obvious that the bottom left bolt is way closer to the plack than it is in the other picture.
-------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 13 2006, 05:23 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
QUOTE (haunter @ Jul 13 2006, 08:25 AM) your reasons do not make it a chop thats for sure OK, I will find you another 10 reasons why this thing is a shop job... -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 13 2006, 07:13 PM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 9-December 02 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 52 |
QUOTE (99Spyder @ Jul 13 2006, 05:23 PM) OK, I will find you another 10 reasons why this thing is a shop job... Go ahead, knock yourself out. You haven't showed me anything to convince me it is a shop. The offset bolt holes and plaque look right to me, but maybe that is because I can actually visualize and comprehend in 3D (No glasses required). Is a Northstar Talon that hard to swallow? |
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Jul 13 2006, 07:15 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,108 Joined: 2-October 05 From: Waverly, Illinois Member No.: 636 |
I want to know how it runs!
-------------------- Thanks, Bud!
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Jul 13 2006, 07:19 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
I can see the subframe under it too... nothing says it's a running car I guess. My biggest question is WHY? When you can build the stock turbo motor to make more power than that caddy motor, why go through the trouble?
-------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Jul 13 2006, 07:40 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,108 Joined: 2-October 05 From: Waverly, Illinois Member No.: 636 |
But..........
What if it was N/A? I think that would be more power than a stock N/A Talon. -------------------- Thanks, Bud!
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Jul 13 2006, 08:29 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
QUOTE (BudmannG @ Jul 13 2006, 07:40 PM) But.......... What if it was N/A? I think that would be more power than a stock N/A Talon. sell it and buy a turbo!! -------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Jul 13 2006, 08:47 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
QUOTE (haunter @ Jul 13 2006, 08:25 AM) readability always declines on non-full res pictures that are blown up also, the hoses could actualyl have moved, maybe the pics were taken at different times Both images were doubled in size, clarity should have been reduced equally. If you save the pictures to your system and view the advanced properties it indates that they were both taken 2/22/2006 at 6:33pm with a Sony MVC-CD500 camera. -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Jul 13 2006, 09:04 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
The insulator (thicker part) on this hose seems to be a different length in each picture. Oh yeah, and it terminates into the motor mount?
-------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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