 16g info, Wanting to install 16g - need info |
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 Jan 6 2008, 08:57 PM
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 DSMCentral Freak  Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Mahomet Illinois Member No.: 287  |
Hey all. i've got a 1st gen manifold setup on my eclipse. can i directly bolt on a 16g without any additional mods?
i'm currently running a 14b i've got 550 injectors right now. will i need to go to bigger or can i still be ok with 550s? i've already got upgraded air intake (w/ k&N filter), 1g bov, and an manual boost controller. any insight would be nice -------------------- it's not a dsm unless it's leaking something
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Jan 6 2008, 09:51 PM
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I know that you can directly bolt said 16g to the manifold. I do believe bigger injectors would help. I know an upgraded fuel pump and/ or rewire will definitely be necessary.
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Jan 6 2008, 11:03 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Manifold is an exact fit. There have been many DSM owners that have run a 16g on 550 injectors. Some without additional fuel control. Like Jbone suggested, just make sure that you have an upgraded fuel pump and wiring to support the injectors.
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Jan 7 2008, 12:17 AM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,985 Joined: 30-June 03 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 150 |
I currently run an EVO III 16G... the install was really easy....
also I am currently running 550 injectors (pretty much minimum for the 16G) I am running a walbro 255 pump with rewire, not sure if it is required for a 16G, but the extra fuel is always better than pushing a lean condition... the pump usually requires AFPR, but I have been able to get away with-out it for tuning I am running an SAFC II, but I do not believe that you need to do that for a 16G. if you need aditional advise, let me know. -------------------- You CAN sleep in your car, but your CAN NOT race your house!!!
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Jan 7 2008, 03:16 PM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Mahomet Illinois Member No.: 287 |
great! thanks everyone.
I've got a 255 Walbro pump already installed (no rewire though) and i do have a fuel management system...its one of those manual ones under the hood connected to a 2.5" GM MAFT -------------------- it's not a dsm unless it's leaking something
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Jan 7 2008, 10:33 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,985 Joined: 30-June 03 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 150 |
good luck with your setup!!! when I first upgraded my turbo (E3 16G) and injectors (550's), I did all of my tuning (with much help from NCgalant) by one of those translators, hooked up to a 3" GM MAF (draw through setup).... hard to do, but it worked.... better tuning comes with an SAFC II or better tuning modules.
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Jan 8 2008, 01:24 PM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Mahomet Illinois Member No.: 287 |
well...this is going onto NCgalants old engine haha
where would i find the best deal for a quality 16g evo III turbo? i looked at Slowboy and they was $903 ebay has them for $250 -$450 i don't want to end up with one that's gonna self destruct on me any thoughts? -------------------- it's not a dsm unless it's leaking something
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Jan 8 2008, 01:52 PM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
I've been considerin upgrading also.
I've been following some thread on Tuners on the Ebay turbos. Sounds like you taking a chance on the cheap Ebay turbo, some people have had good luck. But a lot have self destructed. The main bearings seem to be the problem. They don't use standard MHI rebuild kits, although I think Garrett bushing fit and are better quality. The going rate I found for a real Mitsu 16g was in the $500-600 range. -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
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Jan 8 2008, 03:18 PM
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Info Seeker Group: Members Posts: 90 Joined: 30-October 03 Member No.: 195 |
Another possilbility is buy one used. You are taking a chance but I picked up an evo 16g for 300 shipped. Got the turbo and everything was in good shape so I can't complain.
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Jan 8 2008, 08:29 PM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 25-June 04 From: 61554 Member No.: 314 |
QUOTE (Spyonu2007 @ Jan 8 2008, 03:54 PM) QUOTE (TotalEclipse97 @ Jan 8 2008, 01:24 PM) well...this is going onto NCgalants old engine haha where would i find the best deal for a quality 16g evo III turbo? i looked at Slowboy and they was $903 ebay has them for $250 -$450 i don't want to end up with one that's gonna self destruct on me any thoughts? This is going on the old 2.4lter? Are you sure the evo 3 16g is the right turbo for that engine? Seems like I heard something about it being too small at some point. didn't that motor like a certain frank 3 ???? 
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Jan 8 2008, 11:11 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,985 Joined: 30-June 03 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 150 |
QUOTE (TotalEclipse97 @ Jan 8 2008, 01:24 PM) well...this is going onto NCgalants old engine haha where would i find the best deal for a quality 16g evo III turbo? i looked at Slowboy and they was $903 ebay has them for $250 -$450 i don't want to end up with one that's gonna self destruct on me any thoughts? I picked my EVO III 16G up in a group buy with KOU in 3 back in the day.... it was new for like $450 and still running strong..... not sure on current prices though. and I do believe that NCGalant's 2.4 did run on a frank 3 -------------------- You CAN sleep in your car, but your CAN NOT race your house!!!
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Jan 15 2008, 09:22 AM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Mahomet Illinois Member No.: 287 |
Yes, it ran the frank 3 and loved it to death. right now it's got a 14b on it. i'd love to upgrade to a frank 3 level turbo, but right now the funds aren't available and i want to get this thing ready for spring. i'm trying to get a decent amount of HP whilst not needing to upgrade heavily.
-------------------- it's not a dsm unless it's leaking something
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