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 Sep 10 2008, 10:46 AM
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Those hp numbers are impressive for a 14b car... I cant wait to see where it goes on a bigger turbo.
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Sep 10 2008, 05:29 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Keep the 14b... That's just my .02!
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Sep 11 2008, 05:46 AM
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QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Sep 10 2008, 05:29 PM) Keep the 14b... That's just my .02! says the man who has personally had 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,umpteen go nuculear on him in the past 8 years. -------------------- Need a boost in the pocket book and with your health?
the real deal If your not interested in an extra grand a month, cool beans... Its working for me. |
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Sep 11 2008, 04:38 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
QUOTE (Dan Boles @ Sep 11 2008, 11:46 AM) QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Sep 10 2008, 05:29 PM) Keep the 14b... That's just my .02! says the man who has personally had 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,umpteen go nuculear on him in the past 8 years. Which gives me the best perspective. I could have changed that 14b 20 more times and kept driving the Talon rather than the path I chose and the money I spent.Well supported and tuned 14b for all day fun or an EVO III 16g at most for killer street game. -------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Sep 11 2008, 06:41 PM
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I completely agree... Going all out race car isnt the best move on a semi-daily driver..
That being said, Ive never ran a 14b to the edge... that ragged edge that some are doing.. However... I believe, that a 16g (evo3) ran at semi-sane levels, 20? Will out perform and out last the 14b at the same level... Just my thoughts.. I had a worn out 20g on the spyrocket, Between it, and the evo3 16g, my vote is for the 16... Fast spool, great in the midrange and solid pull all the way up... man, those were the days. -------------------- Need a boost in the pocket book and with your health?
the real deal If your not interested in an extra grand a month, cool beans... Its working for me. |
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Sep 12 2008, 07:45 AM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
I still have to turn up the boost on the latest tune but in the interest of promoting conversation...
What would be the next step in wringing out more 14b power? 1) new cams 2) 7cm exhaust section on 14b...less backpressure with some more lag? 3) ???? I'm sure a 16g at 20 psi would beat the snot out of a 14b purely by the extra air volume and it wouldn't be as stressed and heating up the air as much. -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Sep 12 2008, 04:51 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Remember how much HP I picked up just by tuning my stroker cams in with cam gears? Darryl, followed suit and made some crazy gains by dialing in his cams with adjustable gears. It may not be as extreme with the 14b and it will only make a difference if you buy cams, but it could produce some better numbers.
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
Greatness comes from the most unexpected places! |
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Sep 12 2008, 05:15 PM
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Post Master Group: Moderators Posts: 516 Joined: 2-September 08 Member No.: 8,139 |
144mhp has some adjustible cam gears for sale I think.
-------------------- Need a boost in the pocket book and with your health?
the real deal If your not interested in an extra grand a month, cool beans... Its working for me. |
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Sep 12 2008, 06:51 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
Good idea....wish I would have maned up and bought those cams off Darryl before you got them Kicks:rolleyes:
-------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Sep 13 2008, 11:34 AM
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Weld the internal gate shut, add an externa', turn the boost down 4psi, and spray a 75 shot at it.
 Just my opinion 
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1994 Del Sol Si 1991 Talon TSi AWD 1990 Mustang GT FOR SALE!!! |
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Sep 15 2008, 08:15 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
My manifold is set up for a HKS 40mm external wategate...but I haven't found a good enough deal on one.
No nitrous for me, I'd rather put the money towards a better turbo. Racing cost me enough every time I go to the track without having to add refilling a nitrous bottle. Looks like my wideband sensor was the culprit of the wacked out readings. Got the new one installed Sunday and now I get a 11:5 to 10:0 A/F at WOT. So next outing (THIS WEEKEND), the race chip with 20-21 deg timing goes back in, lean of the MAFT setting and I can turn up the boost past 19! Hmmmm, wonder if I can pick up a set of used 264/272 cams.... -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Sep 17 2008, 04:07 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
Did a boost leak check today. The stock FPR is leaking air. Never checked it before, so I thought others may never have thought of it either.
A little silicone will take care of that today. Also I got a stock plug for the BISS screw, it leaks too. So much for ease of idle adjustment. I'm going back to the silcone method on that plug. -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Sep 17 2008, 06:31 PM
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Im thinking that your new clutch setup will really yield some gains on the launch... Perhaps even needing additional traction!
-------------------- Need a boost in the pocket book and with your health?
the real deal If your not interested in an extra grand a month, cool beans... Its working for me. |
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Sep 17 2008, 06:40 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
Yeah the clutch setup (twin disk-I've got connections
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-------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Sep 18 2008, 08:35 AM
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Driving the tripple was no more difficult than the stage 3+ I have in the evo now. It will work just fine.
-------------------- Need a boost in the pocket book and with your health?
the real deal If your not interested in an extra grand a month, cool beans... Its working for me. |
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Sep 20 2008, 10:50 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
Latest track outing Bracket Race #13
12.674 @ 108.66 w/ 1.803 60' on 20 psi 12.499 @ 109.00 w/ 1.710 60' on 21 psi 12.450 @ 109.12 w/ 1.700 60' First round: 12.379 @ 109.67 w/1.702 60' ON THE BRAKES! because I dialed a 12.50 so I'm sure I left some ET and MPH on the table. Day started off around 83, first round was 72 with 73% humidty. Apparently my car likes natural water injection  I kept leaning her out but the WB showed all runs in 11.4-11.0 range. I thought it was kind of wierd with the temp dropping all night but I guess the humidity rising must of offset it.I did run one more time but it picked up a lot of knock of the stutter and then I chunked third trying to shift at 7300+ Had quite a few people coming up to me afterward asked where the hell a 12.37 came of of my little 4 banger
-------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Sep 21 2008, 10:03 AM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
1.70 60 ft is the best I ever attained...still to date. Your hooking up rather well considering the extra power. Are you still running street tires?
I've been thinking that a set of four drag radials and a higher torque clutch may net me a better 60 ft. these days since I can only muster 1.9's with the All-season Sumitomo's spinning off the line. It would get faster or break some hard parts. Great job in any case! -------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Sep 21 2008, 05:49 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
They're are Yokohama Avid V4S 225/50/16 all seasons. I think they work because I don't make enough power to break them too loose. They do spin during my dry hop before lining up at the tree. I don't know if the VHT on the line helps eliminate the spin off the line or if I am getting some water on my tires even through I drive around the water box.
I thought I had reached the limit of the 14B with my setup, now I'm not so sure after running the new time... I just submitted my latest time to DSMtimes.com This puts me at #20 fastest 14b car in the list. Not too bad. -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Sep 22 2008, 07:08 AM
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Post Master Group: Members Posts: 774 Joined: 28-October 02 From: Pekin Member No.: 32 |
Excellent work! Bottom line is this... if you can pull a 12.37, keep working it. I think people look at a set-up with a preconceived notion that it can only go so fast. Keep it up, you know that car has at least an 11.99 in it
-------------------- 2009 Scion Tc
1994 Del Sol Si 1991 Talon TSi AWD 1990 Mustang GT FOR SALE!!! |
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Sep 22 2008, 10:30 AM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
QUOTE (ncgalant @ Sep 8 2008, 01:26 PM) It look like you've picked up almost 1mph over your last chip. I'd be interested to see what your actual A/F is after you get the bugs worked out of the sensor. We may need to bump the 1600hz+ multiplier up another notch. Hey NC, up for burning another chip?? The only real knock I'm seeing is coming off the stutter. Top end is clean. Maybe some more timing? I had the MAFT set for +15 so I can still lean it out some more to get to 12.5 A/F. It's amazing how tuning can have such a big effect...with NC making the big changes and me making small adjustment at the track, it justs make more power! Thanks Nathan! -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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