Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> fiav
Patterson353
post Apr 21 2010, 09:19 PM
Post #1


Person of Wisdom
***

Group: Members
Posts: 229
Joined: 8-July 09
From: mapleton
Member No.: 18,894



Tell me what you know about them. Pros and cons of blocking off. Thanks


--------------------
1991 GSX
1991 TSI AWD
1997 GST (wifes)
1995 Chevy k 2500
2005 Dodge Grand Caravan (chick magnet)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
dualdj1
post Apr 22 2010, 10:35 AM
Post #2


DSMCentral Freak
****

Group: Admin
Posts: 490
Joined: 15-September 08
From: East Peoria, IL
Member No.: 8,716



Computer controlled vehicles rely on idle air control to set idle RPM. You're throttle valve adjustment screw sets Base RPM, which is significantly less than idle rpm - generally (I have the ford procedures, but not sure on Mitsu - if you haven't touched the idle screw, leave it as is). Your computer uses the IAC/FIAV to change your vehicles current RPM to what it has set as desired idle RPM. Once you start opening the throttle it's unused.

Unless you're going with a DSM link, I'd recommend against blocking off, as your comp expects it to be there, and if it's not functioning will probably go into a failsafe mode of some sort. Even with a DSM Link, personally I'd still keep it, as you can tune it's behavior at that point.

Honestly I can't think of any Pros right off of blocking/removing it, other than it being one less electronic part that can fail. Likelihood of failure is low (might need cleaned at most).


--------------------
1978 Mustang II King Cobra
89 5.0HO, Stock Short Block, Ford F303 cam, 1.7:1 Crane Roller Rockers, Holley 650 Doubler Pumper, MSD 6AL, Pocket Ported stock heads, Hedman Long Tube Headers
5 spd Manual
Full roll cage, 9" full floater w/Currie trac lock/373 gears, RCI Fuel Cell
Project Page: http://www.brandttuning.com/projects.htm
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
dualdj1
post Apr 22 2010, 10:42 AM
Post #3


DSMCentral Freak
****

Group: Admin
Posts: 490
Joined: 15-September 08
From: East Peoria, IL
Member No.: 8,716



Guess I should've read into it a little more first.

It seems like the MITSU one has 2 valves, one electronic, one based on coolant temp. I could see reason for blocking off the coolant valve side of things, however due to the nature of the valve, it's open until coolant gets hot, so if you block off coolant then it will always stay open. As a result, you'd need tuner capability to tell the electric valve to stay more closed. On Fords the whole process is handled electronically.

Though You could do a partial block off, again I'd probably just leave it alone, unless for some reason you want to get it to idle more slowly when cold, or more consistently across the engine temp range.


--------------------
1978 Mustang II King Cobra
89 5.0HO, Stock Short Block, Ford F303 cam, 1.7:1 Crane Roller Rockers, Holley 650 Doubler Pumper, MSD 6AL, Pocket Ported stock heads, Hedman Long Tube Headers
5 spd Manual
Full roll cage, 9" full floater w/Currie trac lock/373 gears, RCI Fuel Cell
Project Page: http://www.brandttuning.com/projects.htm
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ncgalant
post Apr 26 2010, 01:30 PM
Post #4


Post Master
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 908
Joined: 7-October 03
From: Chillicothe, IL
Member No.: 182



I have had very little good luck with any of mitsubishi's FAIV/ISC's on any vehicle. Every one has idle surged leading me to block off the entire computer's control. If your ISC/FAIV are working and you are happy with your idle, then leave them alone. If they stop working, then block it off.


--------------------
GVR4 866/1000 = the perpetually broken car
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
dualdj1
post Apr 26 2010, 01:45 PM
Post #5


DSMCentral Freak
****

Group: Admin
Posts: 490
Joined: 15-September 08
From: East Peoria, IL
Member No.: 8,716



I could see the 2 part control causing issues, with the coolant driven and electronic driven. Idle surge is usually from the computer overcompensating for some other issue. While you can fix the surge by bypassing, you may have other issues that need addressed.

Not trying to contradict NCGalant by any means, he's way more of an expert than I am, and I don't know the inner workings on DSMs, so don't know if it'd have any major effect. Obviously if you have no means of tracking down what causes the surge, then that would be a good workaround. But I could see the issue lying more in the coolant driven side failing, or some other problem causing the computer to adjust erratically.


Another thought would be, is there a electronic controlled FIAV you could swap on, that doesn't have the coolant controlled valve?


--------------------
1978 Mustang II King Cobra
89 5.0HO, Stock Short Block, Ford F303 cam, 1.7:1 Crane Roller Rockers, Holley 650 Doubler Pumper, MSD 6AL, Pocket Ported stock heads, Hedman Long Tube Headers
5 spd Manual
Full roll cage, 9" full floater w/Currie trac lock/373 gears, RCI Fuel Cell
Project Page: http://www.brandttuning.com/projects.htm
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ncgalant
post Apr 26 2010, 01:58 PM
Post #6


Post Master
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 908
Joined: 7-October 03
From: Chillicothe, IL
Member No.: 182



QUOTE (dualdj1 @ Apr 26 2010, 02:45 PM) *
I could see the 2 part control causing issues, with the coolant driven and electronic driven. Idle surge is usually from the computer overcompensating for some other issue. While you can fix the surge by bypassing, you may have other issues that need addressed.

Not trying to contradict NCGalant by any means, he's way more of an expert than I am, and I don't know the inner workings on DSMs, so don't know if it'd have any major effect. Obviously if you have no means of tracking down what causes the surge, then that would be a good workaround. But I could see the issue lying more in the coolant driven side failing, or some other problem causing the computer to adjust erratically.


Another thought would be, is there a electronic controlled FIAV you could swap on, that doesn't have the coolant controlled valve?


I guess I've never been through it far enough to block off just the FAIV as it seems to cause the bulk of the problems from what I've found. A fully electronic solution or simply blocking off the FAIV would be a good solution to that problem and get rid of some coolant lines in the process.


--------------------
GVR4 866/1000 = the perpetually broken car
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
dualdj1
post Apr 26 2010, 02:23 PM
Post #7


DSMCentral Freak
****

Group: Admin
Posts: 490
Joined: 15-September 08
From: East Peoria, IL
Member No.: 8,716



I think I was mixing up my terms a bit, and see that the FIAV is referring to just the coolant side control. If you can block it off without blocking the ISC (electronic component), then I would definitely do so. Just make sure that your ISC (electronic) is still able to control airflow, and make sure to block off the airflow ports, and not just unhook the coolant lines.


--------------------
1978 Mustang II King Cobra
89 5.0HO, Stock Short Block, Ford F303 cam, 1.7:1 Crane Roller Rockers, Holley 650 Doubler Pumper, MSD 6AL, Pocket Ported stock heads, Hedman Long Tube Headers
5 spd Manual
Full roll cage, 9" full floater w/Currie trac lock/373 gears, RCI Fuel Cell
Project Page: http://www.brandttuning.com/projects.htm
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 15th May 2024 - 01:41 PM
Design by: IPB Download & eBusiness Discussions