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Posted by: 93dsmowner Jan 1 2011, 08:21 PM

The goal is simple. All around awesomeness.

I took the car to the track for the Hangover Fest and managed a 11.95 @ 115.86 mph. Car is setup as follows.

Stock 7 bolt with ARP head studs.
Big 16g I rebuilt
Punishment FMIC
3" exhaust, stock o2 housing.
2g exhaust manifold
FIC BlueMax 1250 injectors
Jay Racing 341 intank pump (270lph at 70psi operating pressure)
KYB AGX Struts/Ground Control coilover sleeves

Putting on the Jay Racing Toe Eliminator soon.

11.95 at around 27psi of boost.

Trying to figure out where I want to take it next..

Posted by: black92_tsi_awd Jan 1 2011, 09:15 PM

Congrats man!

The next thing i would do is Drive the car....you've been working on this thing for a long time.

I'd get some more runs before changing too much. That setup should get you mid 11's I would think.

What where your 60's? I have AGX's also, what did you have the shocks set at?

Posted by: bluzvr4 Jan 1 2011, 09:43 PM

i didnt relize that was u lol congrats again

Posted by: 93dsmowner Jan 1 2011, 10:32 PM

Well Chris, the shocks are set full stiff. Car is getting the Toe Eliminator and a alignment so I expect to pick up a couple mph and some et as well as the car is pretty far off.

Oh and did I mention this was on snow tires?

1.800 60'
5.051 330'
7.726 1/8 mile @ 91.61mph
10.017 1000'
11.950 1/4 mile @ 115.86mph

First two full passes were a 12.26 and 12.27.

Posted by: awd4kicks Jan 2 2011, 12:09 AM

Nice Work man!

Posted by: Patterson353 Jan 2 2011, 12:44 PM

yea i didnt either. great times! how did the mounts hold up?

Posted by: 93dsmowner Jan 2 2011, 03:54 PM

Awesome! No wheel hop, just smooth spin!

Which made it an interesting ride on the backhalf. Guess I wasn't wrong because there was a pretty nasty wreck out there.

Posted by: treydawgs4g63T Jan 12 2011, 08:56 PM

yea good work, you have definetly came far in the dsm game since the first time i met you.... workin on getting myself anther but cant find the right one yet....

congrats, see ya at the track this summer

Posted by: 93dsmowner Jan 12 2011, 11:22 PM

Thanks man. That's for sure!

See ya there man. Maybe this one you will keep so you can build it up nice!

Posted by: treydawgs4g63T Jan 16 2011, 03:08 PM

yea i think i may have to with the purchase of a house and so on... plus thats kinda why im waitin to find the right one.

Pickin up my engine today to start putting together... 6 bolt of course... ima start my own thread here shortly

Posted by: 93dsmowner Jan 16 2011, 06:47 PM

Nice I'm going to be buying a 6 bolt block and bare head soon.

Posted by: 93dsmowner Jan 20 2011, 05:32 PM

LOL Oh boy.



That's a lot of squat for KYB AGX's at full stiff on Ground Control Coilovers...



Moves out pretty good.



Fastest pass of the day. Went on to run a 11.95 @ 115.

NO TRACK PREP. 17 degrees Fahrenheit outside. Worn Bridgestone Blizzak 205/55/16.

On a 16g.


I find it amusing that the car looks like crap and runs pretty decent

Posted by: mitsu90 Jan 21 2011, 08:41 PM

11.95 Not bad.... for a DSM..


haha **** the masses on CSS 11.95 is not bad for anything

Posted by: awd4kicks Jan 22 2011, 05:43 PM

She is definitely a sleeper that would surprise a lot of people!

What was your 60ft. time for the 11.95? I'd say those soft Blizzaks were grabbing pretty damn good for a 115mph.

Posted by: 93dsmowner Jan 24 2011, 08:19 AM

1.800. I go high 1.6's low 1.7's in the summer but there was definitely a LOT of wheelspin. 1st and part of 2nd was pointless. Love how hard the 16g hits haha.

Posted by: 93dsmowner Jan 24 2011, 06:31 PM

Here's a little vid of the car.

http://vimeo.com/19091520

Posted by: mitsu90 Jan 24 2011, 07:24 PM

That whole thing was shot with a Droid X.. simply amazing ..

Posted by: 93dsmowner Jan 24 2011, 08:56 PM

Yeah it shoots 1080 i think.

Posted by: awd4kicks Jan 24 2011, 09:14 PM

I bet, it's a night and day difference for me from the 14b at mid 12's with instant spool..to what I would consider excessive spool for only about 8 tenths of a second in the quarter mile. My drive line parts last a lot longer wit hthe bigger turbo though. I used to drive the living dog shit right out of that car wit hte 14b...everything to the ragged edge. I miss the quick spool!

Posted by: 93dsmowner Jan 24 2011, 09:57 PM

I won't be losing much spool honestly.

On a big cam motor people are seeing full boost around 4k on this HX35. I'm doing a built 2.0L somewhere are 9.5:1 or higher compression on E85 with the Holset on the BEP .55AR hotside with a set of Delta 280/280 cams and a JMFab Street Manifold and FPRace exhaust manifold.

I'm going to use a lot of black powdercoat and paint. End result will hopefully be clean and sleeper

Posted by: awd4kicks Jan 30 2011, 10:12 AM

Sounds good!

Mine is a stage 3 Buscher short block built with 272's and all the tricks. It is supposed to hit full boost long before it does. I think my main problem is my stock, but ported 2G exhaust manifold and my smart but limited street tune on a stock EPROM. A header and a real management system would make it sick. Unfortunately traction is already rediculous at these power levels. Even with AWD I normally can only pull a 1.9 60ft. on the Sumitomos that I have. When I had the 14b at around 375-400hp I was easily cutting low 1.7 second 60 ft. times. So mine will need stickier tires (maybe slicks) to bring the quarter mile times back in line with it's potential. Then of course heavier duty axles will probably be required as they begin to snap under the new level of grip. After 10 years of pouring money, heart and soul into my Talon I am on a much needed break. Stay tuned... Although these are some things to anticipate as you build your project.

Good luck and keep up the good work.

Posted by: treydawgs4g63T Jan 30 2011, 01:32 PM

i know i definetly cant wait until the day you get your talon back out marcus... it definetly does take alot of time, money, blood sweat and tears to build a badass DSM and i have learned over the years myself and from the elder DSMers stories and track time.

I just cant get rid of the addiction... Cars are in my DNA... entire family build and race cars so i knew what i was bound to do as a hobby...

The one thing that has struck me the hardest over the years is NOT TO RUSH THROUGH your build because the out come will almost always tear you apart. DO it right the first time and only time!!

as i said before, good luck with your build zach, and ill see ya on the streets this summer....

Posted by: 93dsmowner Jan 30 2011, 01:57 PM

I talked to Joe at SBR about the motor.

Turns out that my motor is going to be a bastard child indeed!

Wiseco just release a E85 piston. 10.5:1 comp. Their HD line with the stronger wrist pins. Problem: only in 7 bolt.

No problem though. I'm building a 6 bolt. Oil squirters welded shut. Balance shaft delete. New oil pump and forward facing housing for a oil cooler setup since the turbo is oil cooled as well as lubricated.

Oh, the rods are Manley I Beam Turbo Tuff rods, which will be re bushed on the small end for the 7 bolt wrist pin diameter.

ACL Race bearings, OEM crank. I may decide to go to a more aggressive camshaft as Kelford just released a high lift 274/272 with almost .5" of lift.

Kiggly Beehives. SS valves of some sort. Minor porting on the head. I guess there is a large casting mark/ridge in the way of valve entry that causes a large amount of turbulence which fights flow/velocity so cylinder filling suffers.

Other than that, I just have to pray the driveline stays together. It's capable of 1000whp on this bottom end if built correctly. This motor won't see the light of day for quite some time but I will be slowly acquiring parts as I get the $$. Pistons and rods will be in the next month or so. I can't wait to build my first motor. All this reading and buying the tools to do it... comes down to this.


Oh and Marcus, I know I might not be much help BUT if you ever need or would like assistance, get ahold of me as I'm always free to help fellow DSM'ers.

Posted by: 93dsmowner Feb 10 2011, 06:40 PM

So I have the list pretty much down for the shortblock. Fairly simple to piece stuff together that will work and be enough for my goals.

Now the cylinder head..

Valvetrain. Cams...

I was going to do the Delta regrinds but I have heard some mixed reviews recently. Good but not the best. BC stuff isn't as aggressive as I'd like. Kelfords are big coin but they outperform the HKS cams of the past. Now I'm hearing about GSC. Everything from the rally car in a restrictor class to a full blown solid lifter race motor..

I'm lookin into the GSC S3's currently... Little more aggressive than the old FP4R's. And GSC's Beehive Spring/Retainer setup.


Only time will tell I guess..

Posted by: black92_tsi_awd Feb 10 2011, 07:46 PM

You better save up for a dogbox trans.

Posted by: 93dsmowner Feb 10 2011, 08:12 PM

I am planning on one from DogBoxRacing. Already have a TRE Stage 2 with some shot peened/cryo treated/gear detailed gearsets in it, double sync 2nd, 4 spider, ripgrip lsd front. I'm planning on a TRE Max Lock rear end, a true full replacement aluminum driveshaft, and the dogbox with a twin disk.

Posted by: bluzvr4 Feb 10 2011, 09:42 PM

cant wait to see this get going! also nice to see this site pick up the past couple days

Posted by: 93dsmowner Feb 11 2011, 08:04 PM

Hell yeah!

I fixed my pre turbo exhaust leaks and started it one last time before teardown and you can hear the turbo through the exhaust at idle. Win. Lol.

Posted by: bluzvr4 Feb 11 2011, 09:16 PM

so ur starting teardown now? hey i wanted to ask u too u think u could rebuild nicci's turbo?

Posted by: 93dsmowner Feb 11 2011, 10:16 PM

I meant for the clutch and a couple other fixes and mods while it's down.

And I probably could.

Posted by: bluzvr4 Feb 12 2011, 08:01 PM

i hope u can rebuild the turbo.

also im ordering a couple parts for the vr4

Posted by: mitsu90 Feb 13 2011, 07:57 AM

black92_tsi_awd rebuilds his turbos.. Give me a pm I'm sure he can help ya

Posted by: 93dsmowner Feb 14 2011, 08:58 PM

Yeah when you run a 14b hard you become familiar real quick haha.

Posted by: bluzvr4 Feb 15 2011, 10:53 PM

u should see my new pieces of art work i just ordered for the vr4

Posted by: black92_tsi_awd Feb 17 2011, 08:40 PM

Watcha get???

Posted by: bluzvr4 Feb 17 2011, 09:29 PM

im getting ready to order my cat back but nicci (bluzgirl on css) just bought my a sexy fmic

Posted by: bluzvr4 Feb 17 2011, 10:59 PM

hey standard saw this and thought of u

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-4G63-T4-Turbo-Manifold-Eclipse-Talon-Laser-/230587457057?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model:Talon|Submodel:TSi&hash=item35b0155e21#ht_500wt_1182

Posted by: 93dsmowner Mar 12 2011, 02:48 PM

Little update.

Got the clutch back from Clutchmasters. Sent me a 6 puck solid hub at no charge, cleaned up the pressure plate and sent it back.

Got stock lower control arms in rear from a friend.
Ingalls rear upper control arms.
Jay Racing Toe Eliminator kit.
Ingalls front camber bolts
OEM rear toe arm eccentric bolts
New OEM Flywheel alignment dowels (3)
New CV boot for driver side outer joint
3qts of Redline MT90
JMFab ISC/FIAV blockoff plate. Yay no more of that crap.

I just need to install everything here in the coming week or two and get an alignment at BMW. (-0.5 deg camber F&R and 0 toe F&R to start)

Posted by: 93dsmowner Mar 17 2011, 06:15 PM

Waiting on Fidanza to call back about getting alignment dowels from them since the OEM ones are DIFFERENT.

On the list:

17"x9" +35mm Enkei RPF1's wrapped in something sticky.
Coilovers (K Sport Kontrol Pro's?)

When I get the dowels I can assemble the front end and start saving for coilovers and wheels.

Posted by: bluzvr4 Mar 17 2011, 09:16 PM

what u doing with ur old suspension?

Posted by: 93dsmowner Mar 19 2011, 02:10 PM

Probably selling it to you hahaa

Posted by: bluzvr4 Mar 19 2011, 09:11 PM

thats what i was hoping

Posted by: 93dsmowner Mar 19 2011, 10:35 PM

Passenger side is together. Need to assemble drivers side and then get everything centered, tight and go from there.

Hoping to get the car half assed aligned. Wish I had a caliper to use...

Posted by: 93dsmowner Mar 20 2011, 08:36 PM

I bought the rear rotors. Found out my passenger rear wheel bearing is bad so it is getting replaced. Going to install the new one at work tomorrow. Then I will be assembling the rest of the rear suspension tomorrow night and getting my alignment close with a little luck

Dowels from Fidanza will be here Tuesday or Wednesday so the car should be ready to rock at that point. Just needs some oil haha.

Posted by: bluzvr4 Mar 21 2011, 02:33 PM

hey i just saw this on tunners and didnt know if it was something u could use or not

http://www.dsmtuners.com/classifieds/4g63-dsm-parts-for-sale-1/bep-housings-take-your-pick-holset-mitsut3-22957/?catid=newentries&cutoffdate=14

Posted by: bluzvr4 Mar 23 2011, 12:08 AM

buy these and sell me urs:)

Posted by: 93dsmowner Mar 28 2011, 06:43 AM

In haste while trying to find an oil leak, I quickly timed the car. Which wasn't the problem. Problem was, I didn't turn it over by hand or I would have noticed the cam locker tool wasn't in place. GREAT.

So, bent valves. Should be picking up a 2g head of Patterson soon and sending it to get tanks, decked, o ringed, and new valve guides and seals for now I think. MAYBE get it ground for OS valves and get those Supertech valves I've been looking at so I can just drop the cams/valvetrain in later...

TO BE CONTINUED

Posted by: dualdj1 Mar 29 2011, 11:40 AM

have mullvains do the work if you don't have a preferred shop. He shouldn't be too awful busy right now, most of the dirt race stuff should be done.

Posted by: bluzvr4 Mar 30 2011, 02:43 PM

i found your injectors
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FIC-2150-Injectors-Evo-DSM-/320677136971?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4aa9d8ca4b#ht_500wt_1182

Posted by: 93dsmowner Apr 2 2011, 11:28 AM

SuperTech Nitrided Intake and Exhaust valves, Supertech guides and seals, topline revised lifters. 2g head decked/o ringed. Should be fun.

Posted by: bluzvr4 Apr 2 2011, 11:32 AM

hell ya when are u getin all that?

Posted by: 93dsmowner Apr 3 2011, 11:17 PM

Waiting to buy until the machine shop gets the head. Which won't happen until I do a few things to it first. This thing has never seen a machine shop though. Should clean up nice. Going to shave and paint the valve cover as well.

Disassembled the head tonight. Going to let the shop remove the old guides to see if I need oversized guides, as well as inquire about what they want to do oversized valves. Trying to cover all the areas.

Oh and this is the first valve cover I've ever had for a 4g63 that was PERFECT.

Posted by: doayamaha Apr 23 2011, 08:52 AM

So are you about done with this motor yet?

Posted by: 93dsmowner Apr 25 2011, 12:12 AM

Lol Bobby is a comedian now eh?

Posted by: bluzvr4 Apr 25 2011, 07:19 PM

i know a couple comedians but all their cars run:)

Posted by: doayamaha May 1 2011, 04:46 PM

i know one that keeps his car running, doesn't bend valves, and can keep a rear end in it.

Posted by: bluzvr4 May 1 2011, 05:00 PM

i hate u

Posted by: doayamaha May 1 2011, 08:43 PM

Haha I win!

Posted by: doayamaha May 1 2011, 08:46 PM

And its heh

Posted by: bluzvr4 May 1 2011, 09:01 PM

how the gsx comin? or the gst?

Posted by: 93dsmowner May 2 2011, 10:37 PM

That's easy to do when you haven't driven it yet, n00b.

Posted by: doayamaha May 3 2011, 12:26 PM

The gst is drivable and the gsx is waiting for the talon to be done and the gst to sell then all free time goes to the gsx, it will be on the ground b4 you drive the talon again. You are just mad that my talon is cleaner and faster than your 12 sec talon.

Posted by: 93dsmowner May 6 2011, 01:50 PM

Lol ok David.

And your car hasn't even made a 1st-4th pull to compare to my car. You driving the GSX before I drive the Talon is laughable.

Oh and some food for thought since you are so adamant about being right even when you're wrong.


1. Blu's rear end is kaboomed. We proved it Wednesday when I was out there.

2. The center differential is NOT in the transfer case you n00b. It's in the transmission. How else would I be able to get a "4 spider center diff upgrade" when all I got from TRE was the transmission?

3. You have a pipe dream for the GSX and you are overestimating what that Talon is capable of, all because you have some shiny stuff on it and you think you can crunch the numbers

Hey, it's ok. I thought I was going to run 11's my first time to the track in the Talon too. Haha.

Posted by: doayamaha May 6 2011, 03:58 PM

you should learn to read i said it will be on the ground b4 you drive your car next. I was just giving him a possibility of what it could be, most of which is over text, I told him to put it on jack stands to see what was really going on. I talked to his dad already and know all of this information. The shinny stuff you talk about is all functional, did i decide to go with a theme to make it all uniform yes, sorry i didn't just wastfully spend money without thinking what it would look like in the end. It is ok I understand the but hurt that you feel when you want to drive your car, but you can't due to the fact you are incapable of working on it yourself. So maybe you should just get a mustang and fall in with all the other sheep.

Posted by: 93dsmowner May 6 2011, 05:39 PM

The most amusing part of all of this is that I am capable of doing all my own work, the only thing I have NEEDED help with is shit like putting the trans back in the car. I assembled all the rear suspension pieces and did most of the shit on bottom up front for trans install too.

Need I remind you the only motor you've built lasted hours, not days.

Posted by: doayamaha May 6 2011, 06:51 PM

you time a motor with my help all is good, you do it yourself to prove to people you can and looky there bent valves. Yes that motor didn't last long at all, but that will happen when you don't have the proper tools, very short time made even shorter by someone using the loan money they got out to put there car back together for bills they have neglected to pay. and not ordering the parts when they need to, also inviting over every one to watch when all they do is get in the way. Did i make mistakes along the way sure, but with the way that whole thing went down allot of people would.

Posted by: 93dsmowner May 7 2011, 12:50 AM

Which is funny because I've timed it a couple times previously by myself without an issue. Lol That's what I get for get for getting in a big hurry haha

Posted by: mitsu90 May 7 2011, 07:01 AM

Sooo much butt hurt in here...

Posted by: doayamaha May 7 2011, 12:20 PM

I know hey zach get mad and make your face red!

Posted by: 93dsmowner May 8 2011, 12:08 AM

Lol Bobby.

We need to get the trans in the g ride and Cody needs help with that 1g auto gst...

Posted by: doayamaha May 8 2011, 09:44 AM

i know but can't i have a break from doing transmissions and rear ends

Posted by: mitsu90 May 8 2011, 04:18 PM

Yes you can...... right after you do mine haha

Posted by: treydawgs4g63T May 8 2011, 06:48 PM

so throughout this build have you taken any pics? maybe post some of them to show the progress as you go along..

Posted by: 93dsmowner May 8 2011, 09:41 PM

I have taken some but they are so scattered it's crazy lol. I have a bunch on FB somewhere

Posted by: 93dsmowner May 8 2011, 09:41 PM

I have taken some but they are so scattered it's crazy lol. I have a bunch on FB somewhere

Posted by: doayamaha May 9 2011, 10:45 AM

I have some that I will make a build thread with soon.

Posted by: 93dsmowner May 9 2011, 11:22 AM

Of mine or yours?

Posted by: bluzvr4 May 9 2011, 12:09 PM

bobby doesnt get breaks lol

Posted by: 93dsmowner May 9 2011, 01:04 PM

Definitely not.

I'm finally able to log in on Tuners and view threads lol. The next order will be most important

$1019 for:

MAP High Performance Valves
Supertech valve seals and guides
ITM Revised Lifters
ERL Cast T3 Manifold

And the 2nd order from ExtremePSI will be $167 for:

OEM MLS HG
Front case seal kit

And the last order will be AN fittings, line, and adapters to feed my HX35 oil from the OFH with a .100 restrictor inline and a giant -12AN oil drain.

Yay.

Posted by: bluzvr4 May 9 2011, 04:11 PM

when u plan on doin all this? how about after u put my rear end in and help me install my ssmic

Posted by: 93dsmowner May 9 2011, 09:26 PM

We'll see.

Posted by: bluzvr4 May 9 2011, 09:39 PM

well if your bored im going to replace that rear end wed and i might try to start the intercooler

Posted by: doayamaha May 10 2011, 07:21 AM

actually i think i have 1 or 2 of yours as well.

Posted by: 93dsmowner Feb 20 2012, 09:43 PM

Just an update here. Ordered some Kelford 272 copy cams from Delta. Billets FTW. Head has been done.

1g head
Maperformance valves and evo ti retainers
Revised lifters
Stock guides with super tech seals
Maperformance beehive valve springs
Delta K272 cams
SCE Titan copper head gasket

Staying with a 16g for now. Unfinished business to tend to.

Going to work on the car Wednesday and Thursday so I can drop the head on when they get here. Getting excited

Posted by: doayamaha Feb 23 2012, 12:18 AM

mustang owner check, lol

to understand see previous posts.

Posted by: awd4kicks Feb 24 2012, 01:55 PM

Good to see some life in the local DSM world. Spring is right around the corner. It's going to be good driving weather soon... and I'm getting the itch for some time on an open road!

Posted by: dualdj1 Feb 24 2012, 04:11 PM

Does that mean we can expect to see yours fixed up and running as well?

Posted by: awd4kicks Feb 25 2012, 09:37 AM

We will have to see. I've been contemplating it. Weighing it out with just getting a newer bad ass machine to start fresh with. Plus, I can always open up a stretch of road on my Sportster... It's just a lot slower!

Posted by: 93dsmowner Mar 13 2012, 11:05 AM

Cams are installed in the head. Need to replace my lovely worn out jack and get the car wrapped up. Only thing I'm missing is the turbo oil feed and return lines.