 DSM Death?, What the hell is going on... |
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 Jan 7 2005, 01:06 AM
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 Person of Wisdom  Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Mahomet Member No.: 213  |
So today, im cruisin along, Bam, no power stearing and my battery light flicks on. I lost the alternator belt obviously. But thats not it, I parked the car, and all of a sudden i notice an extremely loud and fast Ticking noise, definitly not your usual lifter tick, coming from the head. I'm going in to evaluation mode right now to figure it out and am seriously stumped. Enless its a lack of oil (which i havent check as it was to dark at the time), i dont know. Also, i noticed when i stepped of the car when i parked it, it smelled a bit like antifreeze, i popped the hood, and sure enough it was a stronger odor. Any ideas fellas?
Hopefully this brief movie helps, or even works for that matter. Movie of ticking noise -------------------- 1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1992 Honda Civic CX Hatchback Crankwalk Free is the way to be! |
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Jan 7 2005, 01:59 AM
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 Post Master Group: Members Posts: 972 Joined: 30-October 02 Member No.: 34 |
Sounds more like something banging than lifter tick from the vid. Is there a lot of engine vibration accompanying it? Off the top of my head I'd wonder if it was the balance belt if so.
Otherwise from the noise it sound like rod knock. Doesn't explain the alternator belt slipping simultaneously though. If the crank pulley seperates it can throw the belt though (stock pulley is actual two pieces with the rubber dampener). I suppose if the crank went far enough out of spec it could be the cause. Sounds a little far fetched though on that one. None of those really account much for the antifreeze smell though. That's it off the top of my head for now. Is it drivable? Bringing it by where there's some light and heat to look at it a bit more closely would help. -------------------- |
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Jan 7 2005, 02:28 AM
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 Post Master Group: Members Posts: 810 Joined: 9-July 03 From: Bloomington, IL Member No.: 151 |
that sounds God awful...
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Jan 7 2005, 02:39 AM
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 Post Master Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19 |
My sister's 2G Tsi broke the crank balancer pulley over break, it sounded similar to that. The sound comes from the pulley hitting the frame. Throwing the alternator belt like that seems to be a sign of that happening.
-------------------- Eric Wort
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Jan 7 2005, 07:12 AM
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 Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 162 Joined: 22-October 03 From: Pekin, IL Member No.: 191 |
i think wort's idea is right, but that does sound like rod knock from hell.
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Jan 7 2005, 07:49 AM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
Antifreeze smell leads me to think the water pump might be the culprit... if the alt belt got wet, it may have slipped. Otherwise wort seems to have a good idea also.
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Jan 7 2005, 12:42 PM
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 DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 29-September 02 Member No.: 21 |
QUOTE (AWD DSM 1 @ Jan 7 2005, 01:49 PM) Antifreeze smell leads me to think the water pump might be the culprit... if the alt belt got wet, it may have slipped. Otherwise wort seems to have a good idea also. I'm gonna have to agree with wort on this one. My 2nd gen lost its harmonic balancer (rubber piece on the crank pully) The crank pully is actually 2 pieces of metal with a hard piece of rubber inbetween them. The second gens have a problem with this rubber becoming dry rot and breaking. Also was the timing belt recently changed? Did you replace the tensioner as well? When my tensioner went bad on the 1st gen, it made a noise like that because the tension was loosened on the t-belt so much that the belt was literally slapping back and forth making a loud and rapid TICKING noise. Check your e-mails too.  Good luck!
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Jan 7 2005, 03:11 PM
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 Beginner Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 209 |
that sounds just like mine did when the bearing went out.
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Jan 7 2005, 03:31 PM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 23-January 03 From: Downs, IL Member No.: 70 |
Oh I hate that noise.... makes me cringe...
Mine was my rod bearing in my 1G.... Makes me shiver just thinking about it.. Sorry to hear about the problem. |
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Jan 7 2005, 04:26 PM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Mahomet Member No.: 213 |
No idea what the problem is yet. Kinda stumped, but i assume the antifreeze smell is from the car possibly getting a little overheated since the waterpump was not turning (no belt running it). As far as the ticking noise, no idea. But i am going to replace the alternator belt and see if it was just somehow a fluke. Also, one thing i forgot to mention was when driving the car, once u take it out of gear, it develops a small (500 rpm) idle surge, but once put back in gear, there is no problem.. I'm extremely confused. Also, travis, i was wrong about the crank pulley not moving, so disregard that comment.
-------------------- 1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1992 Honda Civic CX Hatchback Crankwalk Free is the way to be! |
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Jan 9 2005, 03:07 AM
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 DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 6-February 04 From: Bloomington Member No.: 233 |
sound like you water pump went out and may have done some thing to the timing belt. Wether it be a tensioner, or a chunk of somthing got into the timing belt and made one of you cams jump time. Anyway, it sounds like you water pump is locked up.
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Jan 9 2005, 10:35 AM
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 Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 14-November 04 Member No.: 386 |
wow that kinda sounds like my car. only mine is not that bad. not near that loud. i did a timing belt change a while ago and didnt change the tensioner. is that what you guys think it might be. car still runs the same and it dont make that sound all the time, just ever once in a great while? and i changed my water pump the same time.
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Jan 9 2005, 10:48 AM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 29-September 02 Member No.: 21 |
QUOTE (TURBOWHT @ Jan 9 2005, 04:35 PM) wow that kinda sounds like my car. only mine is not that bad. not near that loud. i did a timing belt change a while ago and didnt change the tensioner. is that what you guys think it might be. car still runs the same and it dont make that sound all the time, just ever once in a great while? and i changed my water pump the same time. Yes. My bet would be on the tensioner. Take the part of the t-belt cover that goes over the top of the camgears off and if you have skinny enough hands reach your hand down and see if you can loosen any slack on the tbelt. It will feel rubber bandy if the tensioner is broken. Oh yeah, for obvious reasons do this while the car is NOT running. LOL! -------------------- 2003 Mustang GT
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Jan 9 2005, 11:09 AM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 14-November 04 Member No.: 386 |
k thanks, hopefully that is what it is and nothing serious. i just bought me a new turbo i would hate to have something go wrong right when i get it on.
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Jan 28 2005, 02:40 PM
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Jan 28 2005, 03:09 PM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 400 Joined: 6-November 04 From: Urbana Member No.: 382 |
that thread is littered with uneducated BS, whats your point? people making inferences off of that sound clip that wouldnt know what a 4g63 was, let alone what kind of problems it could have based on a noise?
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Jan 28 2005, 03:32 PM
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Post Master Group: Members Posts: 972 Joined: 30-October 02 Member No.: 34 |
Last I heard, it was just a separated crank pulley as most of us thought in this thread. I believe it was being taken care of professionally at Speed-source as well. Haven't heard personally since it went there.
I'd vouch for Rollout though. Met him a few times and done business as well. Nice guy, been on the local boards for a while. I seriously doubt he'd be trying to screw anyone on the car (which is beautiful by the way). -------------------- |
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Jan 28 2005, 06:11 PM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Mahomet Member No.: 213 |
Actually it turned out to just be a tensioner and replacing it and the alternator belt seemed to do the trick, I regret not keeping everyone updated seeing as these conclusions have started to be made.
The total operation only cost me 30 bucks to fix, not such a major problem after all -------------------- 1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1992 Honda Civic CX Hatchback Crankwalk Free is the way to be! |
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