TotalEclipse97
Aug 18 2004, 03:54 PM
hey guys. i installed my 255 high pressure FP about a month ago and since then she's been idleing at 800 or less. she stalled acouple times on me while i was downshifting from 3-2. once i got off the interstate (only doing about 70-75) and she died at the stop light at the end of the off ramp. any advice on what to do would be nice.
oh i've only had this problem since i installed the new FP.
xian 1g
Aug 18 2004, 04:09 PM
do you have a fuel pressure regulator for that pump?
SCCA Stang
Aug 18 2004, 04:29 PM
QUOTE (xian 1g @ Aug 18 2004, 04:09 PM)
do you have a fuel pressure regulator for that pump?
I have a Walbro 255 and don't have an after market regulator, and I've never had that problem
natedogg
Aug 18 2004, 04:47 PM
ncgalant
Aug 18 2004, 10:02 PM
QUOTE (natedogg @ Aug 18 2004, 04:47 PM)
100% agree with you Nate. I have one and would never look back. Though not everyone has the problems as clearly as you do, everyone that runs that pump on the stock FPR is going to overrun to some extent. An AFPR makes every aspect of tuning easier.
ICGerms
Aug 19 2004, 12:35 AM
QUOTE (ncgalant @ Aug 18 2004, 10:02 PM)
QUOTE (natedogg @ Aug 18 2004, 04:47 PM)
100% agree with you Nate. I have one and would never look back. Though not everyone has the problems as clearly as you do, everyone that runs that pump on the stock FPR is going to overrun to some extent. An AFPR makes every aspect of tuning easier.
DITTO
TotalEclipse97
Aug 19 2004, 07:35 AM
wouldn't raising my idle work? cause raising the idle and getting the regulator is just flowing more fuel right?
ncgalant
Aug 19 2004, 08:14 AM
Ok, here's what's happening...
Your flowing(lets say) 5lph to your engine at idle. Your pump is flowing 250lph.
Your FPR is only meant to return 120lph and can hendle 180lph or so efficiently
The extra fuel backs up in the rail and increasing your fuel pressure. Raising the idle will cause the injectors to use up some of that fuel up, but not enough to make the problem go away.
Now comes the real problem. Under boost your FPR is able to work properly because your using enough fuel. Your pressure will drop to 38lbs then raise up by whatever you boost level is. Lets say your running 15psi. Your fuel pressure is now 53psi in the rail. You let off the gas and expect to idle. Your FPR is trying to make 35psi at this point, but the above situation comes into play. Now add the fact that the pressure is already to high in the rail and now, without the injectors sucking fuel is getting higher. Your injectors open back up at 1600 rpm to catch the idle only to find way to much pressure causing a rich mess. Your car chokes out and dies.
How do you fix this. You get yourself an aftermarket FPR with a larger return line.
xian 1g
Aug 19 2004, 09:10 AM
well put.
TotalEclipse97
Aug 19 2004, 10:37 AM
so basically i'm flooding my engine because i'm sending too much fuel? and the afpr will regulate it so that i'm not doing this. the funny thing about it is that my air/fuel gauge reads that i'm running lean when i idle...wouldn't that be a lack of fuel/fuel pressure? and does anyone have an AFPR on hand that they'd sell?
xian 1g
Aug 19 2004, 11:48 AM
do you have a 'blinky' air/fuel gauge? if so, in my opinion those aren't very reliable and are relatively pointless. they're more of a light show than a good way to tune your car. a wide band 02, a good egt, and data logger will really tell what's going on.
that's just my .02
TotalEclipse97
Aug 19 2004, 02:04 PM
it a sport - comp autometer a/f ratio gauge...it's got 22lcd's ...i guess that's the "blinky" thing...ok so AFPR = No more stalls
ncgalant
Aug 19 2004, 02:10 PM
QUOTE (TotalEclipse97 @ Aug 19 2004, 02:04 PM)
ok so AFPR = No more stalls
One more question before I agree with that statement. Your recirculating your BOV right? If you venting any it will do the same thing.
Rollout
Aug 19 2004, 04:34 PM
yeah he's recirulating, not venting, by the way, i have a 255, and have had a 255 for about 3 months now and i'v never had the slightest problem
TotalEclipse97
Aug 19 2004, 04:53 PM
Rollout...i'm thinking that since you're running a bigger everything than i am ...that's why you don't have this problem but hey i don't know.
Rollout
Aug 20 2004, 08:06 AM
I had a 255 when i was on the stock turbo and still had no problems
xian 1g
Aug 20 2004, 08:51 AM
every car is different.
wortdog
Aug 20 2004, 01:25 PM
2G's run a higher base fuel pressure stock, so they have less of a problem with overrunning the regulator.
xian 1g
Aug 21 2004, 09:13 AM
actually i believe that nate is referring to his 2g.... but, in either case, different carsrespond differently. women.
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