I've been stuck in the world of 14b's and evo 16 g's ever since i've been introduced to cars...within in the next 4 weeks i'm going to purchase a big silly turbo. I'm kind of new to that realm of turbos.

I will acquire whatever supporting mods are needed.

My goal is something that will slap me easily into the 12 second club with a lot of room to push the car to even lower times with proper set up and tuning. The goals I have for the car is mainly a track car, that is streetable. By streetable I mean that Ihave a dd, I wold just like to occasionally take the car out around town and romp on it. I know it is hard to set up a car with two goals in mind, but I enjoy autocrossing almost as much as I enjoy drag racing. The set up will slightly favor the drag strip.

money is absolutely no issue. I know i'm looking at dropping a couple of grand on just the trubo. I've been hearing ball bearing and 50-60 trim.

I've looked around at the information, but am relatively lost, and would appreaciate getting straightforward information from trustworthy members of the board who have personal experience with larger turbos.

if you need anymore information about what i want in a trubo, just ask, ihope i provided enough information.

thanks in advance.

Not quite sure why you want to waste $2,000, if you want to run deep in the 12s just go with an Evo3. If you want a bit bigger, run a BR500, or if you really want to go silly a BR580. Any of these can be had for far less than $2,000. I guess I'm not understanding what you want. Do you want a 12 second car that can run 10s? Why not just build a reliable 10 second car? Meanwhile, I'll still be hiding in the 14s.

Basicly he's looking for the 'magic turbo'. Killer power but without the 5k+ spool time on a 7.8:1 compression 1G engine.

I've reccomended the 50 and 60 trim ball bearing options as well as the FP3065.

Best options to bring the efficiency up and the spool-up time down on the giant turbos IMHO.

The standby's I reccomended were the larger PTE bolt on Garretts. (Same as the BR series only without quite the price tag).

I've had my say though so I'm guessing most of the point of the thread is for some outside direction.

travis: just looking for as many opinions as possible....ly


James:
i do not want an evo 16g. that's what a lot of people are running. I don't want to be like a lot of people.

Basically, i was trying to ask, what is the best turbo money can buy? but i know that depends on what your goals are. I am modest in general especial about my abilities with a car. I'm not going to walk with a limp and say g homie holla atchya boy, i'm gonna run 10's female dog. I know you can slap a big turbo, hell even nitrous on to a car, and still be in the 13's becuase you suck at tuning or even driving. "So I can see where my modesty may have got i the way of the information i'm looking for.

i know that people have taken the 14b into the twelves. Hell, didn't marcus do that? or was it nate?

Maybe this will help out, I want a turbo that would easily sit me in tens. And still have potential to push me lower. The 9's. Am i saying that's what i'm going to run? no, i'm saying that i will hit 12's the first time down the track, and everyone will laugh. With patience and time, the turbo will provide me with more potential that my current skills.

hell, even if i purchase and decide i don't have the skills for that, it can always sit on the shelf. i will have the fastest shelf on this board. I want to be modest, about my skills, my finances, and who i am... but, i work 20 hour days 6 days a week. I am 22, have no kids, no wife, no concerns, and wouldn't bat an eye at 2g on a turbo. Put simply, this may be the only time in my life where I can purchase such a turbo with such little care, or wife nagging about why we have to live in a box.

I want massive power, lowest spool possible. Although I am in belief that people that whine about their bigger turbos not spooling, i think it is becuase they don't drive it right, down shift. But, once again, my modesty says, i probally suck too, so i want lowest spool possible.

Given the new info, I agree with Trav. Big, silly ball bearing. The PTE Garrett units are good stuff from what I've heard. Please note that my tone in the above was not meant to be insulting, I just didn't understand. If you want to ever be in the 9s, go huge, you'll need it. Also get an external WG. I admire and envy your uncompromised position wish I had the ability tro get anything without justifying it. Good luck!

didn't take it as insulting, just took it as my modesty, or embarrasment of saying to the boards i want a 10 sec turbo, was getting in the way of getting the information i wanted.


is this the closest thing to the 'magical turbo'? would you consider it the best?
is it something i could occasionally take out on the street, and how would it fair in an autocross?

The 3065 is Kris's turbo's big brother. Its fairly new, so there aren't a lot of numbers out there for it yet. Judging from what I've read though, its quite a monster and spools quick for its size.

thanks

any other's thoughts on it?

3065 is too buku if you want my opinion. It's definately not an autox turbo.

I like my 3055 because as fast as it spools it leaves me wanting a little faster on the autox course and as hard as it pulls it leaves me wanting a little more kick in the pooper when I'm going in a straight line. It's like you said you wanted, a big turbo capable of great drag times that also happens to spool reasonably well and never leaves me hurting on the street drivability.

The new FP3052's would be even better IMO, as they are slightly more spool conscious and have even more streetable characteristics with nearly the same ultimate power potential.

I think if you were willing to invest the time in two completely seperate tunes, such as one for race gas at say 30psi and one on pump gas at perhaps 20-25psi then I really think you'd never desire anything else from a turbo than what FP has made available.

Also remember to factor in all the extra costs with a turbo. When I bought my 3055, it was only 1K. But the external wg, custom 02 housing, oil, water lines, etc. ended up costing an extra 600 or so easy, and it would have been double if I hadn't made my own 02 housing and downpipe. And that doesn't even begin to touch the realm of cost of supporting mods to _really_ use such a turbo or cost of broken parts once it all starts working as planned.

Thanks Kris,
I really appreciate the response there. Funny firewalls, satelite internet etc. seemed to have made me miss your post.
I know this is one of those annoying already been answered a million times before questions, so I appreciate the time everyone's taken in answering.

Your post has me reconsidering exactly what it is that I want and would be the most happy with...

And, yeah, i threw the two grand out there as a ball park, and when I said turbo, i meant the whole package. I don't believe there are that many turbo's if any out there that are actually two grand, but after $400 for 02, etc. it'll easily surpass 2g, and I won't bat an eye at it.

I also know that to reach the full potential of the turbo, I still have a lot more upgrading, supporting mods to do, let alone rebuilding the engine to support that kind of power. I am slowly getting closer though. I do expect to break parts, that's why I bought a dsm instead of a h.o.n.d.a

looks like i have some thinking to do, and a little bit more research, if anyone is familiar with the fp3052 and wants to give it a plug, i'd appreciate it or any other thoughts people have about any turbos in that range.

Mine's basicly an FP green(same range as 3052). On my 2.4 she spools full around 3500 and loses quite a bit between gears. If I was buying something new, I would definently go with a BB center section.

I'd say one of your first things you should be buying is a standalone EMS. No point in buying something massive without being able to tune it properly.

I seem to have lost the website but someone in the private side of NABR did some testing on flow numbers on a rediculous amount of turbos. The EVO 16g turned out flowing nearly the exact same as the 20g up to around 22psi and spooled a whole lot quicker.

If I were to go with a street driven car that goes 12's on a bad day, probably 11's on a halfway decent day I'd preobably go with an Fp green. I have a friend that will have his 3065 on his dd in a couple of weeks then I could tell you have drivable that is but the green should be plenty of turbo and spool well too.

I'd be really interested in hearing your friends opinion of it... the 16g definetly does have the power that i'm looking for. I might have to resign to the fact that i either need two trubo's or two cars...lol