2nd Annual Arctic Open Cruise 1/23/05

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2nd Annual Artic Open Cruise

Last year's cruise was by all accounts a smashing success. So, in the spirit of Polar Bear Clubs everywhere (the crazies who jump into Lake Michigan in January), we'll be having the Second Annual Artic Open Cruise.

Cruise to FC Customs in Springfield, catch a bite to eat locally, and then Hit The Dyno.

And we thought our cars were up for the winter. Who's up for sucking it up, braving whatever weather January can throw at us, and running a cruise in the middle of winter?

FC Customs wants a commitment of at least 5 cars to open the dyno for us. As of tonite we already have 3. Cost for dyno will be $45 for 3 runs.

DATE IS JANUARY 23rd

more details to come!@
This is posted up on CII and I thought I'd share with all of you good people . Meeting at Max's Sports bar on Dirksen 12:30 - 1 and after we have a bite to eat it's off to the shop for Dyno pulls.
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anybody got a VCE they'd loan me? I'd run the GSX if so.

FYI its a 2WD dyno

Haunter: VCE=Viscous Coupling Eliminator, or FWD conversion for the purpose of dyno tuning.

gotcha

I mean, WTF do I know about that AWD buuuullshizzle

mah big ellis juan car-maro got day RWD and da big vee-ate in day sumbitch

shes fast I'll tell ya dat uh-huh

VCE? HA! Just pull the axle to the back and put a plug in it. Analube is use to plugging its rear.

silly saturn owner on a DSM board... newb.

super16G if you look on CII i think there are 5 or 6 more cars that will be dynoing from that site. we should already have more than 5 cars if the three you are talking about are on DSM central. i am not sure when the people from champaign or peoria are leaving but i think we are all meeting at the old eagle on main street in normal at 11am. and i think we are eating at fudruckers in springfield.

If only it was that easy...

lol

That would be a trick.We dont have a Fudruckers in Springfield
Max's California bar and grill on Dirksen Parkway @ 12:30 1 oclock ish is the lunch spot for the event.

oh fair enough. someone said on CII that there was one off the highway... i have never been there before so i have no idea. i will post that on CII if it hasn't already been said.

I am Trim57 on CII also I was Super16G over there also it's been said

yeah i know who you are. i just hadden't come across it yet. sorry.

I sure will be

tuning some fuel with an SAFC to make the most of my camminess

Jim I guess the fudruckers closed like 3-4 years ago, it had been that long since I have been there

explains why I couldnt find it at last years dyno day!

Any dyno numbers from those that went to the dyno day?

I want to know too!

I heard a H22 swapped Del Sol was going there.

ranta the h22 del sol put down 184 i think. there was a Z there that put down 280 something. a civic SI that put down a 130 and a swaped hatchback to remain nameless threw down the loudest 105HP i have ever heard... my ears hurt for 20mins after the run. raceen put down 201 in his mercedes but the guy didn't bring it up to redline because it was an 80K mercedes. and it the second run where he had permission to run it it shifted on him so the run was worthless. ryan02stang put down 269HP untuned in his blown mustang. can't think of any more cars right now. there were no dsm's. wort didn't run the T-type and travis didn't to run the truck because there was no way to count RPM's with their setup.

overall the cruise and dyno was awsome. huge thanks to chad and FC customs for hosting the event. i think we all had a blast.

correct me if i'm wrong here. but i thought ryan threw 372hp???? Wort did run. last, after everyone else.

he can discuss his numbers.

over all good time. nice to meet some of you.

and as usual, big thanks to chad and his crew for working how many hours to dyno 15+ of 35 people that showed up... on a sunday.... chad was there till midnight, on his day off.

thanks fc.

oh andy dyno'd the tt and nailed 400hp.

Pump gas sucks.

288hp on 15psi, max torque of 335 but it probably missed the real torque peak as its usually down around 2500rpm instead of the 3700rpm that WOT for the run started at.

How many counts of knock was that at bro ?

Sweet numbers on the H22/Del Sol

We finished up that H22/Civic Friday and put down 185 whp and 155 tq
http://www.rndauto.com/tom.htm
13's on street tires in that car will be easy.

Too bad Rizzo didn't go. For how much smack he talks about Honduhs, Ryan might have felt dumb seeing a Civic making more power than he did.

more HP but prolly not TQ as Ryan threw down 372/372

Its all about the POWA though. I guess they can compare time slips later this year.

Only 3 counts of knock on that run.

I guess we can agree to disagree, but I call both TQ and HP POWA

afterall, HP is just a function of TQ and RPM's isn't it?

but isnt rizzo over 400 WHP now

HP=(TQ X RPM) / 5250

Pretty sure that is the proper equation. Please correct if I'm wrong, but that's it off the top of my head.

yeah you are right sorry. it was 372 my bad. i don't know where that 2 came from. i ment to type 369. i think that was what he put down in his first run. anyways very impressive number for being untuned with a few bolt-ons .

Might have, if he had shown up. Ryan did show up, and put down the numbers...sounds like he is allowed to talk some smack. Where was Rizzo? Your boy let you down...he should have been there to back up all your smack.

Marty

have to disagree with your definition of sweet here.

h22 rated at 200 - 220 at the crank... he pulls 179-85 to the wheels... i'd call that expected... hope to god he didn't have any mods on the car if you consider that sweet.

and I am with xian on the sol

I was pissed and I put down 123whp, one less than the stock rated crank, yet he is happy he is making stock whp


I would pissed if I hadnt, and content if I had, on a bone stock motor, atleast I thought it was, I didnt take a big look under the hood as I was busy fixing my own issues, well some of them atleast!

Man, you guys sure like to be negative. Go read up on what a stock H22 normally pulls on the dyno and then talk. I think I know a little more about them than you. 185 at the wheels for a stock motor with a intake and exhaust is a good number. Plus I was being nice and giving the guy props for dynoing and having that motor in a del sol.

H22 Flywheel Ratings:
USDM H22 (10:1)
190 HP @ 6800 rpm
158 TQ @ 5500 rpm
JDM H22 (10.6:1)
197 HP @ 6800 rpm
161 TQ @ 5500 rpm

That would mean he is making around 15 hp more than the JDM motor.


Oh well... I'm sure Rizzo won't let me down at the track

sorry, I was given different numbers than that for motor ratings that made it much less impressive, but I will take your word for it

Its cool. I wasn't trying to be cocky about my H22 knowledge. Its just that I know that motor inside and out and what it does hp wise stock and with mods. I was mainly saying good job to the kid who owns it and I bet that car is quick (high 13's) for just a swap and stock engine.


On topic... we should edit the first post to have a listing of the dyno results and the car/engine they had.

Nice spy.

Talkin smack with someone elses car again?

I don't talk shit about Hondas...just yours.

Come talk to me when you've either beat my times at the track with your car that we shall not name...or out dyno it. Until then shut up.

Ryan makes me laugh.

Just razzin ya Ryan.... I should be at BOTI with my car.

Special Olympics?

Ok, I've done some of the reading. Here's what I found:

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"was looking at stock mostly stock h22a dyno charts, motors ranging from 1994-99, and they were putting out all different kinda of numbers like anywhere from 155whp to 185 whp..."

"my 92/93 h22a put down 176 hp and 152 ft/lbs with high miles egr system not working, with an intake and exhaust only"

http://www.the car that we shall not name-highend of the car that we shall not name.net/forums/archive/...hp/t-98185.html

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2.2 ltr
H22A 2003 185 HP
JDM H22A 2003 192 HP
H22A 2003 184 HP
H22A 2003 164 HP
JDM H22A 2003 170 HP
H22A 2003 204 HP
H22A 2003 176 HP
H22A 2003 177 HP
Prelude VTEC 2003 165 HP
H22A 2003 206 HP
JDM H22A 2003 191 HP
JDM H22A 2003 166 HP
JDM H22A 2003 172 HP
the car that we shall not name Prelude JDM 5/8/01 166 HP
Prelude Type SH 5/8/01 155 HP
Prelude JDM 5/8/01 187 HP
1994 JDM H22A 11/23/00 170 HP
1995 H22A 11/23/00 190.8 HP
99 Prelude 10/28/00 164 HP
96 H22A 10/16/00 178 HP
JDM H22A 10/7/00 166.5 HP
93 VTEC H22A 10/7/00 174.3 HP
1994 H22A1 9/24/00 199 HP
1993 JDM H22A 9/20/00 165.4 HP
1994 H22A 9/20/00 176.4 HP
95H22A 9/14/00 162.8 HP

Dynos and dates of NA H22's from
http://www.importreview.com/d_2.2.html
Individual mods and charts available at the link
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Personally, it seems with a 197hp (assuming most swaps are getting JDM motors) starting point. I'd expect it to bump to somewhere around 220 at the crank after intake, header, exhaust, + basic mods (not positive what all he had done as I was a bit busy that day). Take off a 15% drivetrain loss from there and you've got 187 (assuming my poor math skills are up to par).

Not that it's not an improvement over stock but that it should be pretty much what's expected. Everyone's point I believe it that it was nothing shocking.

What did your latest install and dyno tune of that H22 yield?

Also, you have to remember that you're on a DSM site here. So most of us do the mental math on the cost of the swap, exhaust work, etc and realize that we can make much better numbers on DSMs.

Just another way to look at it from most of our perspectives. Take it for what you will.

LOL!!!! All that just to try and prove me wrong and you still didn't. I don't care what your hours of internet "research" try to show. I know Jeff at Import Builders/Import Review and if you acutally look at the dynos on that site, there wasn't one over 180 that didn't have something other than intake, header, and exhaust done. Most with intake, header, and exhaust made 165-175. Fact is, 184 is a good number for a H22 with just intake, header, and exhaust. And I'm not going to waste my time going around the internet looking for stuff to back up my statements.

Since you asked... The H22 we just did made 185 whp and 155 ft-lbs with a OEM ITR intake, Greddy header, Invidia exhaust, and R&D Auto tuned V-AFC The 155 ft-lbs is also a lot more than most make with those mods or at 185 whp. More info... http://www.rndauto.com/tom.htm

Where did this become a Honduh vs DSM / Money vs Performance thread? You guys seem hell bent on proving me wrong when all I was trying to do was say good job to the kid that had the car. Let it go.

I would be careful about biting off more than you can chew on that one ranta

I'm getting very tired of this same old ego trip. No one on here cares how much anyone knows about H O N D A S! This is a DSM forum...Get it!? That's the perspective we look at facts from. Period.

I understand Ranta was congratulating the H22 guy. Great. I also don't see how Travis was trying to prove anyone wrong but it has been put in that context now. Besides, 170-200whp is just a stock purchase away with many vehicles these days. This is Refreakindiculous!

More Crebonics. We need to get some of this patented.

Doug, I know you have worked really hard on your car. So this is not meant to be a slam. But, the look of dissapointment in your face, and several posts about it later, I recommend:

1. Sell that car. Do not put anymore money into it.
- You are going to take a hit. Period. Don't make it worse.

2. Although this is a DSM site, if you are frustrated with the 'way' that car treats you all the time... break downs, wheel studs, etc... I know you were debating betweening dsm or ls... don't go DSM. More than likely it will let down from time to time... If that is a source of aggrevation, it's not wise in my opinon..

- that is unless the dyno slips of POWA will make weigh out the aggrevating way she 'treats' you, enough for you.

3. Go Ls... You know you want to you domestic boy.


Like I said, I'm not trying to make you cry... Just trying help a brotha in need of a smile.

well no matter what I keep the car till the summer, cuz I wont fully own it till then................

unfortunately I have some repairs to do ANYWAYS before I could sell it that I put up with daily but will lower the selling price more than the hit to fix it

Ellis would be great, and while I have been developing a budding love for yellow IS300's


a Ellis Vette is getting the same price range!

The issue is of course, waiting till I can save up the 7ishK DP I would wanna have to not take out a huge loan on teh vette, and still have a crapass car to drive around anyways


alas gradumalation is 3.2 months away, and hopefully a fulltime job will soon follow!

the thought is appreciated, and I will still prolly blow a bit more cash doing some dynopulls with my stock injectors back in to see how it goes when I am not popping codes like a a 2dollar whore pops pills