I just went and picked up my new talon last night, Red in color TSI AWD. To my surprise I found that the guy I made the deal with took alot more than what he told me he wanted. I had wanted to use it stricktly as a drag car and keep my blue one as a DD.
He told me he wanted all the interior and some fuse blocks under the hood. Well... He got that and then some. I can't even try to start it no keys, ecu, radiator, cut the wires on the main fuse block under the hood and took it. I didn't mind him taking the interior, because that was just one thing I didn't have to remove to get it ready for my project.
I'm just going to make this LONG story short. I didn't get what I thought I was going to get. I feel I got screwed on my finders fees. When a man tells you he wants this this and this. That is what you would expect for him to take no more no less. This has just been eating me since I got home with it and found all this.
He also got the four best wheels, Which would have been no problem if they were all the aluminum. He took my winter wheels and left me with three stock aluminum and a steely. No fourth aluminum anywhere to be found. So now in the winter I have to run my aftermarkets. I also gave him a rebuilt JDM throttle body.
Now if I had known he was going to come and strip it for what it's worth, I would not have offered what he got from me.

So now what do I do with it? Do I scrap it out and sell what I can sell? Or do I try to put it back together? I do know that I am going to sell the sun roof out of it. I am just in AHH at what I found, As I love these cars.
If any of you want to see pics before he got ahold of it let me know by PMing me your email address. Let me know what you think guys.

Caveat emptor!

^^^ HUH? ^^^

Caveat Emptor (Latin, “let the buyer beware”), principle applied in early common law that the buyer of defective goods could not hold the seller legally responsible. The theory of the early common law was based on the assumption that the buyer was able to examine the goods for any obvious defects, and that if the goods had latent defects of which the seller was unaware the buyer should bear the loss. Under modern law, however, the rule of caveat emptor does not apply to the sale of goods. The rule instead is that the seller is deemed to make an implied warranty that the goods are reasonably fit for the purpose intended by the buyer. Goods that are defective may be sold without legal liability if the fact is brought to the attention of the buyer. The rule of caveat emptor is sometimes used in modern law in reference to a real estate sale in which the seller does not specifically state that the title to the real estate is clear. In such sales, which usually are conducted under supervision of a court in bankruptcy or mortgage foreclosure, or in other judicial proceedings, the buyer takes the risk of acquiring a defective title.

I understand now. And no title to the damn thing either!
Do I have to have a title for it to drag it? Probly yes for insurance reasons, HUH?

to get this straight, you're pissed because you let him take more than you wanted to? Well, what the hell do you expect?

you sound just like that girl I raped. She said she just wanted to fool-around, but I know she wanted the pee-pee bad so I gave it to her anyways. And then she whined and cried when she had to go get an abortion, but hey, I got what I wanted.

if he cut your wiring harness you're in for a hell of a fun time. here's to being a dumbass. it's the best way to motivate yourself to learn quickly. Seriously though dude, dsm's are a pain in the ass enough without going and shoving your fist up your own arsehole.

I guess to maybe help out a little bit I've got an absolute ass-load of wiring if you need something specific....just don't ask me how I know it's an ass-load.

Just wrong.

To get this straight I didn't let him take it. I was at work and he was stripping the car. Let's just forget about that part. I really want to know if it is worth fixing for a drag car or just part it out?
And yes Miami I am a dumbass and have already been told that from me ole'lady.

I'd certainly consider blacklisting the asshole by name and warn people not to do business. At least a straight-up communication (verbal or black and white) about how disappointed you are at the difference between what he said he was taking and what he did take.

I don't know nothin' 'bout your parts car vs. drag car conversation though.

You might ignore all my input, actually - not in a damned good mood today ... *LOL*

Sorry to hear man - hang in there!

I have a pair of front seats in my garage and I have a wiring harness in champaign. PM me if you're interested.

Hell, I have a lot more parts if you're going to make a racer.

Thanks for the offer Joe, But it's not the interior I am worried about. I was just going to put 1 seat in it anyways. That's why I had no problem doing this for this guy. I thought I was getting a rolling chassy w/me being able to take it home and see if I could get it to run. Now if I want to get it to run I have to spend alot more money than just a CAS would cost.
This is the link that started it all http://www.dsmcentral.com/invision/index.php?showtopic=3627
And Joe thank you once again for the offer on the seats. I do have the back seats up for sale also, If anyone is interested.

I'm sure the "ole'lady" told you you were more than a dumbass....

If you were going to make it into a trailered drag car (engine only wiring, no lights, aftermarket gauges etc), it might be worth dicking around with. But he sure didn't leave you much of anything, money wise it might be better to part it out. Putting it back to a street legal car might be tough.

Yeah that and then some

If you want to drive it to the track, I'd say part it out. If you're going to make it a drag only trailer queen, then it may be worth it to keep.

Why didn't you back out on it if it wasn't as described? Personally, if someone were to take my money, and then try to screw me, there would be baseball bats and broken appendages included at no extra cost if he didn't give me my money back.

Man my palms are sweating now, Cause I want to tear into her and see if she starts. But I can't. And to have 2 of them just makes me giddy as a school girl !

If your goal is a pure drag car you aren't in that bad of shape. Just keep in mind that most of the stuff he took can be found pretty cheaply if you need to replace it. It will just take a little more effort and a few trips to the junkyards.

thats exactly what I was going to say... unless of coarse, you don't plan to trailer the car....

as far as a title is concered... only nessessary if you plan to drive it on the streets.

take this as a lesson learned... wait for him to strip the car of the parts that he wanted before you inspect and decide to buy.... if he wants parts after you inspect, then re-inspect before trailering it home.

sorry to hear what happened, hang in there bud and try talking to the guy... maybe if you confront him, he will give the parts back to you..... most people don't like confrontation and will buckle if pressured a little.

you might want to take a fried along with that is big enough to pull you off of him after he tells you to F*** Off.

good luck,

Ben

I was just out in the garage gandering at it. It would be a good car to trailer. It don't have any computers in it at all. I know i can pick up a reasonable ecu. But there is one that sets behind the drivers seat that I'm not sure about. It is in behind the interior panels. And as far as wiring I have some here from when I bought my JDM motor. They were nice enough to pull the whole wireing system for me .
The car was born June 1990.

OK, I have decided to make it into a trailer car. This one might not come out of the garage for a while.
Thanks for your opinions on this and I will post picks of my progress.

^^^Bump^^^

So, what exactly did you pay for, Budman. The way I understand it, it didn't cost you a dime. I've been in contact with this guy, and I gotta side with him. He drove from Nebraska to Illinois, paid a couple hundred bucks for the car, and stripped everything needed to get his stolen car back on the road. Then he gave you the rest in exchange for four rims, two of which were bent on the bead lip (probably from a curb-check) and one that the paint is so bad it should go to the scrap heap. That's the way it happened, isn't it? Tell the truth.

What did you get out of the deal? Seems to me like quite a bit for nothing. Sell the intake, sell the cylinder head, sell the transmission, sell the engine block, sell the turbo... want me to go on?! You got a hell of a lot more for those four crappy rims that you would've had you tried to sell them on the open market.

You didn't get screwed, so stop whining. Oh, and as for this "Caveat Emptor" stuff, it doesn't apply in your case anyway, because you didn't drop dollar one. You got stuff for free. How can you cry about that?!

TJ

Easy killer. You're on a fast track to the cooler with talk like that. We can settle this without an entire E-Battle. BTW, it was NOT in your best interest to PM us and ask to get him to stop whining. You may get banned for that move alone.

12SecondTJ
Don't PM me this BS either...let JohnnyWad straighten this out himself. All I suggested was for him to clear things up with Bud....and call it a day. If their both happy, fine.

Credibility means EVERYTHING on a board....especially when selling or buying parts!

OK, This is the last you will here about this subject from me. I was taught that a mans word is his bond. And yes we had a verbal agreement, He told me what he wanted out of the car. I told him that was fine. It's not like I didn't try to offer to pay for half of it. He wouldn't here of it.
And I wasn't trying to bring him down, I was upset. And no I didn't get hurt either way. I was just trying to see if it was worth making a drag car, or part it out. Not bitch and moan like it came out. If you read back a couple of post I told them I wanted to stop talking about it. And to please answer my original post which was "Need some advise". All I did was try to explain my situation.
If you signed on this board just to pooo on me then that's wrong also. I am done with this and am VERY SORRY if I have caused any inconvience to any of the board members, "I apoligize"

wow.... don't know ya, but that was a very stand up thing to do Bravo!!!


PS make it a trailer queen!!!

lets see, you could make it
a turbo, lowriding , 12 sec car. put some 12s on it . make sure they are slicks , gotta do that. oh i know 12 inch spinners.. that would be hot. get a paint job. candy paint of course.make it a convertiable get the swade interor put TVs all over the place and u gotta have some hydros.so when u r racin u can it those switches and freak the other guy out and u would win. get some flame throwers and of couse make sure you have a loud ass stereo. u know. get some neons for it. and with all that extra wait a LS6 corvette motor would look hella nice.. well that would make it like a 9 sec turbo charged lowrding chick magnet!

Sweet mother of God, tell me that was a joke.

forget the 12s but some_______________________84s on the bitch!


Moderator edited post. No need to speak that way towards those who embrace mothers.

Okay, before you guys play judge, jury, and executioner, I think I should be given the chance to defend myself. One guy spouts off at the mouth, and suddenly I become some sort of pariah. Well, haven't you guys learned at some point over the course of your life that there's three sides to every story: there's my side; there's your side; and there's what really happened. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. It's up to you to decide who's more trustworthy to figure out which side the truth lies closer to.

Well, before you bite on Bud's story, hook, line, and sinker, allow me the opportunity to present my side. You can decide from there who you believe. The first thing that I want to say is that Bud never bought that car at all. I gave it to him. Let me repeat that: he didn't spend one red cent on that automobile. The only reason it became his at all is because I chose to let him have it. So, all this noise about me stealing parts off of someone else's car can stop right now. And, TJ's right. You can eliminate all that latin "caveat emptor" b.s. because there was no buyer or seller here. There was a giver and a receiver, so the principals of capitalism do not apply. The only thing I received from Bud in exchange was a throttle body that I can't even use and four crappy rims, two of which were bent from bouncing them off the curb and another that the paint is so messed up that I'm embarrassed to put it on my car. Oh, and one more thing: I never asked for these things. I was just planning on giving the car to him. He offered these things, so I accepted.

Now, let's look at what Bud got. He got the turbo. He got the cylinder head. He got the manifolds. He got the transmission. He got the transfer case. He got three rims that weren't in much worse shape than what he gave up. He got the body that he can turn right around and sell for scrap iron. Need I say more? So, don't you guys worry about Bud. He made out just fine. Rest assured that he got a lot more value in barter for those crappy rims and that useless throttle body than he ever would've in the open market.

For those of you that are that concerned and want to know how the deal went down, read on. I'm sure that Bud will read this, and I challenge him to deny any of it. I'm not a liar, and I'll lay it out. Can't say as I know for sure whether the same is true about him. I'm not calling him a liar. I just don't know. Anyway, Bud contacted me and told me that he knew of two cars that I could probably buy for about $300 apiece that would help me put my stolen car back together. One was a Laser and one was a Talon. My car is a Talon, so naturally I was more interested in that one. However, the idea of him taking the car after I was finished didn't come up until much later. Furthermore, that concept was not his idea. It was mine. It was easier for me to come and get what I wanted, then find someone to dispose of the car for me in Illinois rather than towing it 450 miles back to Nebraska. If they can make a little cash off of it, good for them. At some point later, he offered to pay for part of the car if I wanted. I told him that wasn't necessary. I wanted a lot of stuff off of the car, so I told him that I wanted to buy it myself so that I could take all that I was after.

So, I talked to the owner of the car and we worked out the deal. I rented a mini-van (which was painful in itself) and made the 900 mile 12-hour round-trip to some podunk town in Western Illinois. I'm not bashing Illinois. I come from podunk Nebraska, so I can relate. It's just that this town was tiny. I spent six hours stripping this car. Then, when I was finished I waited for Bud to come and get the car. I was there when he picked it up. He didn't say a single word to me about the condition of the car. He could've nixed the "deal" at any time, if you want to call it that. In fact, I asked Bud if there was anything that I'd taken off that he had a problem with. I was willing to work something out if there was anything that he couldn't necessarily live without. He said nothing.

To any of you who honestly believe that I ripped Bud off in some way, you can put that stuff to bed right now. If anything I did him a favor. Yeah, I stripped the hell out of it. But as the car owner, I felt it was my right. Oh, and I never told him that I only wanted interior parts. I told him that MOST of what I needed was from the interior, which was true. I never told him that was all I needed, though. If you want to see the letter I sent him detailing what I needed, I've got it. He never told me at any time before showing up to get the car that he wanted to turn it into a drag car. He only said that he'd like to have the body. I didn't hear anything about the drag car stuff until he showed up to pick up the car.

So, to anyone who doesn't believe me, I've still got all of the emails that we've sent to each other. I really wish I'd recorded the phone conversations. This crusade against me is unwarranted. If anyone should be labled as a leper in all this, it should be Bud for talking so much smack about me. You know, if you throw a dog a bone, you don't want him bitching at you about the taste. That's what Bud's did, and it really wasn't cool.

Jon

Thank you, Spy. And I'd also like to thank TJ for defending me. He's a good kid. A little hot-headed, but aren't we all at times. I told him about this on email and he signed up to voice his opinion. Sorry if he rubbed anybody the wrong way.

Anyway, I wrote my side of the story yesterday, but because I told someone to piss off, I wasn't allowed to post it until today. I also posted it before reading what had been written since I read yesterday. I don't want to edit my post, but I do what to augment a little.

I want to thank Bud for his apology. I'm sorry that there was a misunderstanding as well. Believe me, it's not my style to lie, steal, or rip someone off. I chalk it up to lack of communication. Apparently neither of us quite understood what the other was after. That's unfortunate. He was afforded the opportunity to get out, though.

What upset me was the fact that it wasn't brought up to me. Instead, the dirty laundry was aired about me via this website, and I felt that it was a smear campaign against my good name. Bud, if you want to talk, we'll talk. If you don't, that's fine, too. I wish you well with the car.

Jon

so bud..... if you decide to part the car.... I'll take the 6-bolt!!!!