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Teal Terror, not 56k friendly

wortdog View Member Profile	Jun 1 2007, 08:12 PM Post #1
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19	I figured I might as well start a project thread for my sequential twin turbo car, since I'm actually doing things to it nowadays. The new motor is: 2.3 6-bolt stroker with Manley rods, Ross 9:1 pistons, and squirters deleted Mitsu metal HG Creebonics mildly ported head with 1mm oversized Ferrara valves, Si single springs and retainers Crower 64415 cams (old version with wimpy exhaust cam, advertised as 292/288, more like a 280/268 in todays terms) JMF race version SMIM Q45 90mm throttle body ugly 2G exman with 60mm wastegates welded on twin sequential-parallel EVO3 16g's Fuel system is: 850cc FIC injectors Walbro 190 intank feeding a Bosch inline hatchmounted Coolingmist methanol injection Engine management: Eprom ECU with Ostrich Eprom emulator and Tuner Pro RT Innovate LM-1 wideband MAF Translator Gen2 with wideband AFR tracking Transmission/clutch: Was stock with Spec stage 3. Who knows what's next. I'm looking for about 550-600whp with a powerband of 3k to 9k rpm. With the heavily cammed stroker motor, the Evo3 hits like a sledgehammer around 3100. I think with stock cams/intake manifold it'd spool a lot earlier, but 3100 is good enough. It's pretty quick even at 15psi. The front fascia is just a rough cut now, I'm planning on fiberglassing, ducting, and smoothing everything out. Unfortunately, the transmission wasn't too pleased with the newfound torque output: I think this happened first. And caused this from a lack of fluid. I'm thinking I'll probably go with twin disk clutch and a transmission with an EVO 3 double synchro "close ratio" gearset in it. I doubt the Spec 3 would have held up for very long anyway. -------------------- Eric Wort 87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans) 92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim)

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wortdog View Member Profile	Jun 1 2007, 08:14 PM Post #2
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19	One last image: Yes, that's both output shafts split in twain. -------------------- Eric Wort 87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans) 92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim)

awd4kicks View Member Profile	Jun 1 2007, 10:57 PM Post #3
DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26	I dig the two waste gates sticking out in front of the engine. Dude, you have got something very different there. Congratulations on all your hard work and it beginning to come together. On a side note do you know where we can get the EVO 3 gear set. I want to rebuild my transmission with the same set. -------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo Greatness comes from the most unexpected places!

Kazz5 View Member Profile	Jun 2 2007, 08:50 AM Post #4
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wortdog View Member Profile	Jun 2 2007, 10:56 AM Post #5
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19	QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Jun 2 2007, 04:57 AM) On a side note do you know where we can get the EVO 3 gear set. I want to rebuild my transmission with the same set. I believe www.jackstransmissions.com will sell just the parts you want, the EVO gears are about $200 a piece though. I think swapping to an EVO first gear may require some extra work, but I'm not 100% on that. I may just run stock 1,2, and 5 with EVO 3 and 4, which is basically what a Stage 4 Shep trans is. Right now I'm eyeing Jack's premium rebuild with a pair of AN-8 fittings TIGged on for a tranny cooler. For the clutch I'm thinking a Powertrain Technologies twin disk. -------------------- Eric Wort 87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans) 92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim)

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Jun 2 2007, 10:59 AM

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I can vouch for the turbo hitting like a hammer, the first time he hit it with me in teh car it literally took my breathe away it was so harsh!

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christian, i may be interested in your bottom end!

awd4kicks View Member Profile	Jun 2 2007, 01:38 PM Post #7
DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26	Thanks Eric, that's who I've been looking at as well. Besides machining a single synchro 2nd gear to a double, I don't think any special modifications are required to fit the EVO3 gears in. And if you already have a double synchro second, your golden. I bet the Teal Terror will be a monster on the auto-cross and road corse with that kind of quick hitting boost! -------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo Greatness comes from the most unexpected places!

Booztd 3 View Member Profile	Jun 2 2007, 02:26 PM Post #8
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natedogg View Member Profile	Jun 4 2007, 07:55 AM Post #9
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akamiami View Member Profile	Jun 4 2007, 02:31 PM Post #10
Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Moderators Posts: 1,156 Joined: 23-September 02 Member No.: 16	wort, I'm really at a loss man... For the clutch solution, I would look very strongly towards the quartermasters twin disc. Sadly, I never got to install the one I had on my 1g and I ended up selling it back to Devo Tuning (www.devotuning.com) but sooo many of the top names in DSM's swear by it. -------------------- my cars breath smells like car food

wortdog View Member Profile	Jun 4 2007, 03:44 PM Post #11
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19	I ended up ordering the PTT twin disk, which is very similar to the Quarter Master (both designed by the same person, actually). The PTT comes with a custom throw out bearing and a few other odds and ends(lower profile, a little lighter) that made it a bit more attractive than the QM. -------------------- Eric Wort 87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans) 92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim)

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Jun 5 2007, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE (wortdog @ Jun 4 2007, 03:44 PM)

I ended up ordering the PTT twin disk, which is very similar to the Quarter Master (both designed by the same person, actually). The PTT comes with a custom throw out bearing and a few other odds and ends(lower profile, a little lighter) that made it a bit more attractive than the QM.

aw you shoulda made Justin give you a deal dude!

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christian, i may be interested in your bottom end!

wortdog View Member Profile	Jun 5 2007, 03:43 PM Post #13
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19	QUOTE (haunter @ Jun 5 2007, 02:19 PM) aw you shoulda made Justin give you a deal dude! Justin told me he couldn't really cut me a deal, as the QM clutch isn't even really a QM product. Its a QM pressure plate, QM friction plates and disks, with a PTT flywheel assembled by Devo Tuning. -------------------- Eric Wort 87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans) 92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim)

StreetSweeper View Member Profile	Jun 5 2007, 10:41 PM Post #14
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scrapin_frame View Member Profile	Jun 5 2007, 10:43 PM Post #15
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 7-July 04 Member No.: 319	what a hunk of crap! my car hasnt broken a single transmission..

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Jun 6 2007, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE (wortdog @ Jun 5 2007, 03:43 PM)

QUOTE (haunter @ Jun 5 2007, 02:19 PM)

aw you shoulda made Justin give you a deal dude!

Justin told me he couldn't really cut me a deal, as the QM clutch isn't even really a QM product. Its a QM pressure plate, QM friction plates and disks, with a PTT flywheel assembled by Devo Tuning.

bah hes worthless!

John of course you car hasnt broken any trannies, its barely ran

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christian, i may be interested in your bottom end!

scrapin_frame View Member Profile	Jun 6 2007, 11:34 AM Post #17
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 7-July 04 Member No.: 319	QUOTE (haunter @ Jun 6 2007, 10:37 AM) QUOTE (wortdog @ Jun 5 2007, 03:43 PM) QUOTE (haunter @ Jun 5 2007, 02:19 PM) aw you shoulda made Justin give you a deal dude! Justin told me he couldn't really cut me a deal, as the QM clutch isn't even really a QM product. Its a QM pressure plate, QM friction plates and disks, with a PTT flywheel assembled by Devo Tuning. bah hes worthless! John of course you car hasnt broken any trannies, its barely ran a valid point

awd4kicks View Member Profile	Jul 7 2007, 08:11 AM Post #18
DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26	Have you got the Jackstransmission in the Teal Terror yet Eric? If so what do you think of it? -------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo Greatness comes from the most unexpected places!

scrapin_frame View Member Profile	Jul 7 2007, 02:35 PM Post #19
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 7-July 04 Member No.: 319	he has his tranny in, but i had his ecu due to mine being doa.

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Jul 10 2007, 12:56 PM

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yeah the car is def in pieces still

he has other things hes tidying up before he puts it back together I beleive

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christian, i may be interested in your bottom end!

black92_tsi_awd View Member Profile	Oct 23 2007, 10:14 AM Post #21
Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389	Any progress??? -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go??? 91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" SOLD 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks"

MidwestDSM View Member Profile	Oct 23 2007, 09:16 PM Post #22
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 810 Joined: 9-July 03 From: Bloomington, IL Member No.: 151	sore subject...

wortdog View Member Profile	Oct 23 2007, 09:27 PM Post #23
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19	A bit of "backwards" progress: Burninated -------------------- Eric Wort 87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans) 92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim)

xian 1g View Member Profile	Oct 23 2007, 10:43 PM Post #24
Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,035 Joined: 31-March 04 From: Chambana Member No.: 268	wow wort... I was really digging where you were going with the project.. i just don't understand this last turn of engineering thought.. why in the hell would you just burn the mother fucker? jk... let me know how it's all going. -------------------- game over.

JBone View Member Profile	Oct 23 2007, 10:45 PM Post #25
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 729 Joined: 19-September 02 From: New Baden, IL Member No.: 7	Oh my God What happened? Was Anything salvageable? Motor? So what's on the agenda, then? -------------------- -The original (member) 007. Stop looking at me Spy!! -98 S-10 P/U creepin' low on stock 15s!! -You come off just a little more intelligent if you know how to spell the insults in addition to saying them

awd4kicks View Member Profile	Oct 24 2007, 05:52 AM Post #26
DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26	Um...DAMN! I'm really sorry to see that Eric. -------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo Greatness comes from the most unexpected places!

black92_tsi_awd View Member Profile	Oct 24 2007, 06:36 AM Post #27
Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389	Oh sh$t...sorry I brought it up. Sorry for your loss. -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go??? 91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" SOLD 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks"

marty View Member Profile	Oct 24 2007, 06:52 AM Post #28
Beginner Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 9-July 04 Member No.: 327	it is currently unknown if the motor and trans are still usable. maybe if wort gets off his lazy depressed ass and works on the car we'll finally know more

ncgalant View Member Profile	Oct 24 2007, 07:18 AM Post #29
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 908 Joined: 7-October 03 From: Chillicothe, IL Member No.: 182	QUOTE (marty @ Oct 24 2007, 06:52 AM) it is currently unknown if the motor and trans are still usable. maybe if wort gets off his lazy depressed ass and works on the car we'll finally know more Prety sure if it were me it would take at least a year before I'd want to even pop the hood. -------------------- GVR4 866/1000 = the perpetually broken car

black92_tsi_awd View Member Profile	Oct 24 2007, 08:37 AM Post #30
Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389	Strange fire...it looks like the tires didn't burn. -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go??? 91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" SOLD 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks"

treydawgs4g63T View Member Profile	Oct 24 2007, 09:31 PM Post #31
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SCCA Stang View Member Profile	Oct 25 2007, 05:57 AM Post #32
Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,985 Joined: 30-June 03 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 150	QUOTE (ncgalant @ Oct 24 2007, 07:18 AM) QUOTE (marty @ Oct 24 2007, 06:52 AM) it is currently unknown if the motor and trans are still usable. maybe if wort gets off his lazy depressed ass and works on the car we'll finally know more Prety sure if it were me it would take at least a year before I'd want to even pop the hood. I know that I would be pretty depressed too... sorry for your loss -------------------- You CAN sleep in your car, but your CAN NOT race your house!!! ------------------------------------------------------- Double Decker spoilers are uber ricerlicious!!!!

natedogg View Member Profile	Oct 25 2007, 06:15 PM Post #33
Zen Master DSM Group: Moderators Posts: 3,008 Joined: 10-January 01 From: in front of you Member No.: 5	That really sucks! How's the insurance company treating you?

scrapin_frame View Member Profile	Oct 25 2007, 11:36 PM Post #34
DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 7-July 04 Member No.: 319	last i heard, the insurance company was covering the value of the car plus the mods. he bought the car back and has purchased another 1g awd. resurrection of some sort will happen...

wortdog View Member Profile	Oct 27 2007, 12:20 PM Post #35
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19	Resurrection of the GT35R sort, I think. The State Farm has been great about it, they're giving me a lot more for it than I expected they would after I faxed in what receipts I had for the modifications The motor and the trans seem to be alright so far other than all of the seals. I wouldn't be surprised if the head is warped though. I'll try to grab an engine bay shot the next time I'm working on it. The tires definitely burnt, I think that he sidewalls and construction of Z rated tires kept them mostly together. In fact the car actually rolled onto the flatbed on the tires. -------------------- Eric Wort 87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans) 92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim)

JBone View Member Profile	Oct 28 2007, 05:22 PM Post #36
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 729 Joined: 19-September 02 From: New Baden, IL Member No.: 7	Normally I would think that the GT35R would be so frickin' sweet. BUT, dude, you have had the damn setup together! Why quit on it? Do the TT! -------------------- -The original (member) 007. Stop looking at me Spy!! -98 S-10 P/U creepin' low on stock 15s!! -You come off just a little more intelligent if you know how to spell the insults in addition to saying them

black92_tsi_awd View Member Profile	Oct 28 2007, 06:43 PM Post #37
Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389	I second the vote for getting the twin setup going! -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go??? 91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" SOLD 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks"

wortdog View Member Profile	Oct 28 2007, 08:17 PM Post #38
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19	In the last couple weeks I was starting to get everything working. As I started cranking the boost up, the secondary turbo was wanting to spool later and later, to the point of it really being useless in anything other than over 8k in 4th gear. To get it on the second turbo earlier, I had to drop the boost down to about 15psi or less, so my boost pattern ended up being 25psi at 3500rpm, dropping to 13-15psi at around 5500 as the wastegates popped open to spool the secondary turbo and then holding 25 out to redline. Not exactly smooth for coming off a corner. This was also an issue with the TT RX7, as it has a 10-8-10 pattern. I think I'll be happy with a 3065 or GT35r, I already threw out the I/C piping for the twin setup anyway Leaning towards the 3065 right now actually, although I'm still considering everything from the BW S258 to the GT4088R. -------------------- Eric Wort 87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans) 92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim)

awd4kicks View Member Profile	Oct 29 2007, 06:55 AM Post #39
DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26	Wort, I don't know that I would bother with a 3065. Spy's 35R spools faster than my 3052. I'm sure that tune has a lot to do wth it, but his 35R is coming on where I would have wanted my 3052 to. So it's capable. -------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo Greatness comes from the most unexpected places!

ncgalant View Member Profile	Oct 29 2007, 07:39 AM Post #40
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 908 Joined: 7-October 03 From: Chillicothe, IL Member No.: 182	QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Oct 29 2007, 06:55 AM) Wort, I don't know that I would bother with a 3065. Spy's 35R spools faster than my 3052. I'm sure that tune has a lot to do wth it, but his 35R is coming on where I would have wanted my 3052 to. So it's capable. I'm wondering if most of the spool difference isn't from your vast difference in head ports. -------------------- GVR4 866/1000 = the perpetually broken car

wortdog View Member Profile	Oct 30 2007, 08:55 PM Post #41
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19	Buschur has a kit for mounting an FP 3065 on Evo's, general consensus is that for EVOs the 3065 spools 400-500 RPM quicker than the GT3585R and maybe 100 RPM quicker than the GT3563R. Turbonetics makes a T4 based twin-scroll version of the GT35R that has also caught my eye. There are just too many darn choices in the realm of 500-600whp turbos. -------------------- Eric Wort 87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans) 92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim)

awd4kicks View Member Profile	Oct 30 2007, 09:20 PM Post #42
DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26	True, but per Forced Performance my FP3052 is supposed to spool faster than the FP3065 and GT35r as well. It hasn't yet... The other factors are obviously making the difference, but it is still real world results. If NC is right, you will be affected the same way if you are still using that ported head that you bought from Spy. -------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo Greatness comes from the most unexpected places!

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Oct 31 2007, 09:24 AM

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ugh I hadnt looked at those pics a month

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christian, i may be interested in your bottom end!

wortdog View Member Profile	Nov 5 2007, 09:01 PM Post #44
Post Master Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19	The 4088R seems to be spooling around 4500RPM on a 2.3, at least one person has seen 600ft/lb of torque at 4500rpm. Hmmmmm. -------------------- Eric Wort 87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans) 92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim)

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