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JBone
post Sep 25 2002, 01:28 PM
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I was cruisin' through the machv forum and stumbled upon this:
<http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=206707&highlight=dsm>

I'm not the greatest at putting up links. I hope that it worked. It is freakin' hilarious laugh.gif
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post Sep 30 2002, 10:21 AM
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I agree that cars definitely vary in performance even straight out of the factory. My FWD is definitely a 'Wednesday car' (everybody knows fast cars are built on Wednesdays smile.gif ).

Funny that you mention logging Josh's car though. Because that is exactly the reason I was out at his place. We tuned out most of his knock until he was seeing 17-18 deg. of timing throughout. There is no doubt it was running strong. He's the more experienced driver too, though when racing in a straight line from a roll I don't think much driving skill is required. I went all the way to 110 mph still pulling on him. Now maybe if we had shifted to 5th and gone to 140 he would have started reeling me in. I have too often heard that all things being equal a FWD will pull on an AWD from a roll. Well in this instance all things were not equal. Josh's FWD had mods on me and I still pulled on him from a roll. Hence my reasoning that drivetrain loss becomes negligible once an AWD DSM starts getting modded.

If you think about it, it makes sense. As you start modding a car you don't lose more horsepower due to drivetrain loss in proportion to the HP that you add. That would mean that though it took say 40 HP of drivetrain loss on a 200 HP AWD to get the tires moving on a stock car (assuming 20% drivetrain loss), it now takes 80 HP of drivetrain loss on a modded 400 HP AWD. I can't believe that drivetrain loss would increase linearly with HP. It doesn't make sense. I think the percentage of drivetrain loss decreases as you start modding a car. I think it remains a fixed number of 40 HP or maybe increases a little bit due to increased heat dissipation due to more power moving through the flywheel and drivetrain. So, accordingly, the 400 HP car would have say 10-11% drivetrain loss now.

Let do the same thing with a FWD car assuming 10% drivetrain loss. 200 HP * 0.1 = 20 HP drivetrain loss. With my reasoning the 400 HP FWD should still be seeing only about 20 HP or slightly more of drivetrain loss at 400 HP. That translates to about 5-6% drivetrain loss. So now on two equally powerful modded AWD and FWD the drivetrain loss differs between the two by 5% rather than 10%. This difference will continue to shrink as both cars increase in HP.
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- JBone   Pretty freakin' funny   Sep 25 2002, 01:28 PM
- - need4speed1303   lmfao Those guys are a gag everyone needs to r...   Sep 25 2002, 03:31 PM
- - gvr4ever   That's pretty funny. I had no ideal that the Stan...   Sep 25 2002, 04:00 PM
- - need4speed1303   I know a friend of mine who has a Mustang cobra an...   Sep 25 2002, 05:33 PM
- - Anonymous   Common... My experiences show that almost every h...   Sep 26 2002, 11:24 AM
- - Anonymous   Oh BTW - I'm not saying that a DSM can't lose. Bu...   Sep 26 2002, 11:28 AM
- - gvr4ever   It takes skill to drive a 2wd car. Front or rear....   Sep 26 2002, 03:49 PM
- - Anonymous   Wow...how did that stem from my feedback? In a wa...   Sep 26 2002, 08:41 PM
- - Anonymous   Just as a side note. I am not the egomaniac that ...   Sep 26 2002, 08:54 PM
- - gvr4ever   Where did it all come from? I think I was reading...   Sep 26 2002, 09:07 PM
- - Anonymous   Yeah, come on out William! There are a lot of tho...   Sep 26 2002, 09:38 PM
- - Anonymous   Actually you wil lhave to e-mail me at awd4kicks@y...   Sep 26 2002, 09:41 PM
- - gvr4ever   I'll try and be there Saturday night. How many pl...   Sep 27 2002, 12:36 AM
- - JBone   "There are a lot of those crazy people in this sce...   Sep 27 2002, 06:54 AM
- - Anonymous   JBone...you underestimate yourself! Half of the s...   Sep 27 2002, 07:31 AM
- - natedogg   I'm not sure what the problem is. I read the whol...   Sep 27 2002, 08:31 AM
- - gvr4ever   Ya a AWD can out launch a stock Mustang on street ...   Sep 27 2002, 01:31 PM
- - wortdog   Saw you guys talking about people that can't drive...   Sep 28 2002, 01:35 AM
- - Anonymous   The engine swap is comming along nicely Eric! I g...   Sep 28 2002, 11:26 AM
- - gvr4ever   Oh I know AWD rocks. I own one and I'd never get ...   Sep 28 2002, 02:00 PM
- - Anonymous   Your exaclty right William. We both agree... BTW...   Sep 29 2002, 01:17 PM
- - Anonymous   Sorry man. We lost track of time. We were busy a...   Sep 29 2002, 01:33 PM
- - scorp28   I have owned all 3 types-AWD, FWD, and RWD. I have...   Sep 30 2002, 01:19 AM
- - natedogg   Re: YES IT WAS A GOOD RACE   Sep 30 2002, 08:20 AM
- - natedogg   QUOTE Oh I know AWD rocks.  I own one and I'd...   Sep 30 2002, 08:33 AM
- - Anonymous   Josh needs to log his car for knock or timming pro...   Sep 30 2002, 09:17 AM
- - natedogg   I agree that cars definitely vary in performance e...   Sep 30 2002, 10:21 AM


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