Not so smart. Options

[JMoushon]

I write this with the best intentions, only time will tell if it is taken in the way it is meant to be. A lot of people post kill stories. Particularly Spy. If you read his last kill, he waxed eloquently of his pursuit and conquer of a certain Honda hatch. In California or Texas or something. This is both entertaining and smart. Smart in that it gives nothing away, and could be perceived as fiction. We may know better, we may not, but the point is that Spy maintains a modicum of plausible deniability, as do the rest of us who read it. On the other hand, let me talk about idiocy. Idiocy is:

When you post kills that took place at or near popular and consistent gathering spots.

When you describe the other person's car, and who they were with (other cars).

When you disclose exact location and time.

Worst: When you randomly post challenges involving time and place OTHER than a legal race venue.

I am personally guilty of posting a kill or two, though it does take a pretty pathetic car to be killed by the fwd. I understand this, so don't try to throw my words at me.

I recently had a conversation with a member of local law enforcement, a person who is a die-hard car enthusiast and fellow racer. And a cop. IF ANYONE BELIEVES FOR ONE SECOND THAT THE COPS DO NOT BROWSE THIS BOARD, YOU ARE WRONG. SAME FOR CII. Do not schedule races here. It sounds like a BS conspiracy theory, but think of the sheer # of cars now street racing, compared to a few years ago, and think of how the city and county view our habits/hobbies/addictions.

I posted this in an effort to keep people out of trouble, and the officer that brought this to me did so in order to keep me out of the same trouble. Please consider what I wrote, and if you feel some compulsive need to talk shit and include locations (SWKR) , don't over-disclose.

[Benny Z]

This is exactly the reason we're so strict about this over at CII.

[JMoushon]

Benny: I'm glad you saw this. If you want to relay to your board, that would be great. I'm not very well known on CII, probably not much credibilty. Besides, who has time to post actual kills on CII? Isn't everyone too preoccupied with 90210 drama?

[mark95turbo]

I personally cant say that I would qualify myself as a street racer. I'm not going to say that I havnt and that I wont run my car to slightly over the speed limit when there is a mustang or similarly intimidating car next to me. But at the same time I cant say that Ive ever gone looking for a street race nor have I ever instigated a street race. There have been plenty of times that people have tried to race me on and off of the highway and I just shrug it off. My rules are simple for this subject. If I dont feel safe doing it then I dont do it and I very rarely find myself feeling safe while street racing. I dont know call me a wimp, but I find racing in autocross to be 10X more exciting because I feel that I can concentrate more on racing and less on being cautious because it takes place in a controlled environment that is set up for the current circumstances as well as it can be. Just my .02.

[mark95turbo]

I'll copy and paste this on CII James. If you would like it removed for whatever reason, just give me the word and I'll remove it. Thanks!

[MidwestDSM]

very nicely written, and I agree.

[JMoushon]

I actuall posted this as a "word to the wise." The officer(s) I spoke with told me to get the word out as much as possible. I was also told that undercovers will be at popular cruise spots in rather non-descript vehicles. I don't want this to sound like "big brother is watching" type stuff, but the police are putting a lot more effort into the car scene than they have in recent years, and I don't want to see anyone get busted. Post this anywhere you like, as long as people will pay attention.

[xian 1g]

words to live by, and a nice reminder. thanks.. not that my pos would kill anything right now. especially from the arby's parking lot... he he

[awd4me]

good post....but when have i ever disclosed a description of where we race?

and how can the website be held accountable?

[katie]

is it just me, or are there a few people on here now that it seems like all they want to do is contradict and argue? It was kinda funny at first.....but now it is so predictible that I almost avoid reading threads that I can see they've posted in. Maybe I just need to relax about it, but it is rather annoying.


and awd4me....not everything that people post is centered around you..... unless you are the only memeber of swkr I myself am guilty of what James is warning against and appreciate him posting what he did.....not that I can get going too awful fast or anything, but when I start feeling like getting a little stupid in my car this post will be in the back of my mind keeping me in check

[katie]

aaaaaaaaahahahahaha goat asses eh? Are they shaved this time spy?

[JMoushon]

awd4me: I was not necessarily referring to you, or to this board. The website cannot be held accountable in any way. However, if you post, for example: "I smoked this Camaro on X road," you can rest assured that X road will be more highly patrolled. The local constabulary could not care less about the site, they only want race venues and the like. The only reason I specifically referenced SWKR is that, I believe you'll agree, you and yours throw quite a bit of sh** around, I would guess an amount slightly above the norm. Not complaining, merely giving a heads-up.

[JMoushon]

To those who take Spy seriously: DON'T! He really loves the cops, and I suspect he is envious of their authority.

[awd4me]

thanks j.....i see what your sayin...i just dont understand how someone can get so pissed off if i were to post that we're lookin for some new races at the river....no specific spot, time, etc...not startin anything just saying that for anyone that wants to, thats where we hang out....not so much on here, but if i posted that on cii, i would have 15 people jumpin in callin names and stupid shit like that....just tryin to have some fun here...

[KOU In3]

...i just dont understand how someone can get so pissed off if i were to post that we're lookin for some new races at the river....

Because if the people you talk with about it with know where "the river" is then so do the cops. Meaning that they show up there more often. Meaning that said spot stops existing for the rest of us as a comfortable cruise spot.

In general, a few fun spots (wherever they may be from town to town) get left alone as long as things manage to fly beneath the radar. Push them in the authorites faces and they more or less have to do something about it.'

I look at it this way: If I'm a cop and it's a boring shift with nothing happening, I'm headed over to where there MIGHT be something happening according to recent rumors. Hopefully that helps explain it a bit.

Personally I wouldn't know, I'm not from anywhere near here, my cars can barely make it up to highway speeds, and KOUmotorsports would never condone anything illegal like a contest of speed on a public road.

[SCCA Stang]

Personally I wouldn't know, I'm not from anywhere near here, my cars can barely make it up to highway speeds, and KOUmotorsports would never condone anything illegal like a contest of speed on a public road.

nice disclaimer!!!

[ncgalant]

Personally I wouldn't know, I'm not from anywhere near here, my cars can barely make it up to highway speeds, and KOUmotorsports would never condone anything illegal like a contest of speed on a public road. 

I know what you mean. My car tops out at 55, 65 down a hill with a tail wind.

[JMoushon]

I can tell you where I won't be this weekend.

[katie]

in a van down by the river James?

[xian 1g]

i don't even know who kou is... I think it's just another one of windell's screen names. Is that his girlfriend, or his bitch... i bet she 'walks' a lot....