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Jul 12 2004, 07:37 AM
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DSMCentral Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 21-October 03 Member No.: 189 |
Oh don't you worry what it will run, just worry about keeping up with it. LOL! I love how you think I know nothing since I mainly work on Hondas. Goes to show how much YOU know and how ignorant you really are. Keep it up, it makes you look real mature. Please explain your reason of thinking and why I CAN'T POSSIBLY know anything about the oh so powerful world of DSM's?
I am victim to the same thing as Xian 1g and missed the blaha. I just read the original post and it sounded like one of those stupid resistors you wire into your IAT or something to fool the computer. The way he worded "trick my stock maf by wiring the resistor" made me think of that. My bad. But, I take it he's running 17 psi or so now. Where does the effeciency of the 14b run out? I thought I remember seeing it didn't really make that much more power at 20 psi because its out of its effeciency range. What is the max rpm for a 14b and how fast will 20 psi spin it? All things to think about. It might make a little more power, but is it worth it by risking the turbo. I'd just get a Walbro 255lph high pressure fuel pump, krissj144 mbc, and chill until you can afford injectors and a bigger turbo. There are other things like full exhaust, FMIC, new intake pipes, etc that you can do too. I know everyone wants that last little bit of extra hp and doesn't want to pay for it, but you might just pay for it and more in then end with a blown turbo. -------------------- |
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Jul 12 2004, 10:38 AM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,985 Joined: 30-June 03 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 150 |
QUOTE Where does the effeciency of the 14b run out? I thought I remember seeing it didn't really make that much more power at 20 psi because its out of its effeciency range. What is the max rpm for a 14b and how fast will 20 psi spin it? All things to think about. It might make a little more power, but is it worth it by risking the turbo. I am not sure what the eficiency range is... i think that it varies between turbo to turbo.... some 14b's run good at 20+ lbs (mine used to pull like a maniac above 20 lbs) some i've heard don't make good power after 17 lbs -------------------- You CAN sleep in your car, but your CAN NOT race your house!!!
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Jul 12 2004, 11:02 AM
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DSMCentral Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 21-October 03 Member No.: 189 |
8"? Thats it? LOL. J/K.
The definition of experience is very vague and you assumed I ment I'm a master mechanic and know all. I admit I am not at all a master and do not know everything, but I do know some things already and thats why I said I have experience. It was just that your comments and the way you said it implied I knew nothing. Things like my "build up" I don't need an apology from Justin. I was just messing with him. I mostly hear that lame comment from Domestic guys saying imports take tons of money to make fast. I'll leave it up to my buddy to do the shit talking about racing you in his car, seeing how it is his car. You do have the AWD advantage, but maybe you guys can race from a 2nd gear roll. I think everyone does a little assuming into things and just needs to chill. In real life I'm sure we'd all get along just fine, but on the net things get taken out of context. -------------------- |
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Jul 12 2004, 11:23 AM
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DSMCentral Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 21-October 03 Member No.: 189 |
Oh, and I don't think my 12.8 is anything to really brag about. Its good for around here I guess, but what I had done wasn't anything special and is nothing compared to the guys on the coasts. My new setup will be something to be proud of though. If it ever gets finished.
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Jul 12 2004, 12:57 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,035 Joined: 31-March 04 From: Chambana Member No.: 268 |
thanks vfaqs... i doubt this helps, but i'm still looking
What is a "hacked" MAS? What is an "Al Blaha" MAS? What is a "Mike Jackson" MAS? A "hacked" MAS is a first-generation MAS sensor that has had a large amount of the lower opening cut away. The resulting sensor has a lower section that is much larger than the upper section. The air going through the lower section is not measured by the ECU, while the air through the upper section is. The net result is a sensor that flows more air than stock, but measures less air than stock. The other terms are references to the people who offered the hacking modification as a service, back when it was not well understood. Al Blaha is the one widely credited with inventing the process; Mike Jackson also offered hacked MAS units. The "Blaha" MAS also included a resistor in-line with the MAS temperature sensor. This modification was intended to fool the ECU into thinking the air was colder than it really was. This helps offset the fact that there is more air going in to the engine than the ECU is actually measuring. It also included a small door to help the hacked MAS measure air better at idle. The exact details of the modification process is beyond the scope of this FAQ. -------------------- game over.
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Jul 12 2004, 01:14 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Hopefully you are all done now...
From now on I will be taking the liberty to completely wipe out entire threads if the BS is too thick to sort through. I'm not into mamby-pamby thread locking. If we can't have good info we wont have any info. So keep the questions and answeres clear, to the point and try not to throw in expletives that seem to piss others off. To the point... The Blaha works....period There are a number of them floating around the area and you can probably pick one up cheap enough not to worry about trying to hack up your stock MAS. Basically the resistor makes your ECU think that the outside air temp is MUCH cooler than it truely is. Cool air justifies more air volume in the computers programing. So this little resistor mod justifies any extra air that you are sucking through the MAS with your boost upgrades. The Blaha form of hacking the entire lower section of the MAS, simply cuts down on air restrictions and raises the effective CFM for more performance potential. The only drawback to the blaha is rough idling prior to warm-up in cool weather. Blaha installs a removable flapper door to cut down on air volume during idle for this reason. It acts similar to a choke and it does the job. BTW- My best runs were with a Blaha, a 190LPH pump that should have been upgraded and a stock fuel system with no fuel management beyond that. I have never heard of anyones engine being destroyed because they were running a Blaha MAS. People have burned up their pistons by running them too lean while they are using the Blaha though. Only thing to watch out for is the hardware from the flapper door coming loose and getting injested by the turbo. -------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Jul 12 2004, 01:28 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
QUOTE (ranta18 @ Jul 12 2004, 07:20 PM) I admit my original comment was a little out of line and I should have used the word assinine to describe it. Thank you but you don't have to defend yourself around here SO MUCH. It wont make any good difference. With that being said the rest of the info after my last post is gone... -------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Jul 12 2004, 01:41 PM
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![]() Beginner ![]() Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: 10-May 04 Member No.: 293 |
thank you and spy ill be in touch if anyone has one they want to part with pm me thanks again
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Jul 12 2004, 02:49 PM
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DSMCentral Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 21-October 03 Member No.: 189 |
Understood
From now on I'll let people think what they want and just let my work do the talking. -------------------- |
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Jul 12 2004, 03:21 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Jul 12 2004, 05:55 PM
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![]() Zen Master DSM ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 3,008 Joined: 10-January 01 From: in front of you Member No.: 5 |
QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Jul 12 2004, 01:14 PM) Hopefully you are all done now... From now on I will be taking the liberty to completely wipe out entire threads if the BS is too thick to sort through. I'm not into mamby-pamby thread locking. If we can't have good info we wont have any info. So keep the questions and answeres clear, to the point and try not to throw in expletives that seem to piss others off. To the point... The Blaha works....period There are a number of them floating around the area and you can probably pick one up cheap enough not to worry about trying to hack up your stock MAS. Basically the resistor makes your ECU think that the outside air temp is MUCH cooler than it truely is. Cool air justifies more air volume in the computers programing. So this little resistor mod justifies any extra air that you are sucking through the MAS with your boost upgrades. The Blaha form of hacking the entire lower section of the MAS, simply cuts down on air restrictions and raises the effective CFM for more performance potential. The only drawback to the blaha is rough idling prior to warm-up in cool weather. Blaha installs a removable flapper door to cut down on air volume during idle for this reason. It acts similar to a choke and it does the job. BTW- My best runs were with a Blaha, a 190LPH pump that should have been upgraded and a stock fuel system with no fuel management beyond that. I have never heard of anyones engine being destroyed because they were running a Blaha MAS. People have burned up their pistons by running them too lean while they are using the Blaha though. Only thing to watch out for is the hardware from the flapper door coming loose and getting injested by the turbo. all_wheel_envy - See this post for reply to PM. Kicks is my suga'. Btw for a small fee, I can make you a Blaha if you can't find one for sale. |
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Jul 12 2004, 06:09 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 1,156 Joined: 23-September 02 Member No.: 16 |
I remember seeing a blaha flapper door on the infamous hughes 'fireball' gvr4 back before I could afford such expensive parts. I was amazed at the shittiness of its construction. Truly crappy. I wouldn't put the blaha flapper on my car even if they promised to buy me a new turbo when it buggered up the current one.
A 1.6K resister in line with the diode on the side of the mas is all blaha did to change the 'measured' temperature anyways. You guys are all cracking me up. bark bark bark all day but no bites. -------------------- my cars breath smells like car food
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Jul 12 2004, 07:57 PM
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![]() Zen Master DSM ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 3,008 Joined: 10-January 01 From: in front of you Member No.: 5 |
Yeah, I remember reading about someone whose turbo ate the flapper door. Not good. When I had the Blaha on my fwd back in the day I didn't even bother with the flapper. It ran great without it. There was a definite improvement in performance with the Blaha in though.
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Jul 12 2004, 09:28 PM
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DSMCentral Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 21-October 03 Member No.: 189 |
Spy - Hands on experience from you? Umm... I'm not into that kind of stuff. If you did mean DSM's, don't you mean you want me to go talk to Slo-Pony and get some knowledge from him? From what I've heard he's the one that does all your work. OH SNAP! Just bustin your chops bud. Someone made me say it.
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Jul 13 2004, 01:01 AM
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DSMCentral Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 21-October 03 Member No.: 189 |
Dammit Spy! You owe me a new pair of boxers because I pissed in mine I was laughing so hard at you.
Let me first say I totally agree that Slo-Pony does excellent work and I have heard nothing bad about their service. I'm quite sure you can handle jerry-rigging your car by yourself (the blaha mod, etc), but you leave the other stuff up to the people that know what they are doing correct? However, you run your mouth on the internet like you actually have done the work yourself. You make it sound like you are soooo busy that you can't even work on your own car that you love so much. Sounds like you're just making up a bunch of excuses for the fact that you either don't know how to or just don't want to **** it all up by trying. Thank you for not bringing anything to me in the future. I wouldn't want to be the one to blame for you getting your hands on it and blowing something up. I like how you talk shit about me and my work, but I doubt you've actually seen any of it. Your ignorance shines once again. And then you top off all your stupidity with the physical threats. I moved on from high school a long time ago. Maybe you should too. Grow up. -------------------- |
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Jul 13 2004, 01:18 AM
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![]() DSMCentral Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 382 Joined: 27-July 03 From: Morton Member No.: 156 |
Wow its funny that somehow my car got brought into all this. This shit makes me laugh, keep it up.
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Jul 13 2004, 01:45 AM
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Person of Wisdom ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 100 Joined: 7-April 04 Member No.: 273 |
If spy lets slo pny do some work he gets guarantees because they back their work. Spy also helps support them, and in return Marcus will let him use tools. Tools that make Spy's work easier and faster. In the automotive world we help eachother out with the stuff we got. Its impossible for anyone to know everything or be able to do everything. Some people do bodywork, some paint, and others engines. Dont get me wrong doing it yourself is cool but when you dont do it right and break something later it will turn around and bite you in the @$$. Everyone on here knows what im talking about... breaking nuts... losing nuts... pets eating gaskets... dropping parts on your hand.. also you save yourself a HUGE headache of having your car sitting on stands for extended periods of time by letting a professional do it. Thats just my $.02
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Jul 13 2004, 08:48 AM
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DSMCentral Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 21-October 03 Member No.: 189 |
Dude, you really need to get your stories straight. NOT ONE THING you just said is true.
1. I have not chewed up ANY bearings on my motor and have not had to replace the head once. My motor has run perfectly fine as my times and dyno's have shown. 2. I have NO idea who Jeff Meiners is and I have not done ANY work on his car. Know that the **** you are talking about before you start spreading lies! -------------------- |
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Jul 13 2004, 08:50 AM
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DSMCentral Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 21-October 03 Member No.: 189 |
Where the **** do you come up with this stuff. Get back on the meds man. Fast.
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Jul 13 2004, 09:30 AM
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DSMCentral Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 21-October 03 Member No.: 189 |
Yeah, sure, keep up the lies. I have no clue who that guy is and if you want, you can post his number and I'll call him about it if this person does exist and seems to think I did work on his car. Where and when was this supposed transaction and work done?
Grow up. False accusations and lies isn't going to hide the fact that you're and idoit. -------------------- |
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