Which way to go? Options

[BudmannG]

OK, so I have decided to rebuild it to the stock setup.
It is almost like everything I think of to ask about, or how to do I get shut down. So I will rebuild it to stock and run this 14b. I don't want to sound like a stick in the mud. I don't know what else to say.

[akamiami]

Trey, you're building a car to impress people in Pekin at the river??? Please say you're joking.

Bud, you're wanting to run a 60-trim turbo on 650's? and expect us to figure your HP goals by your choice of FMIC manufacturer? You're not really giving us a lot to go off of here.

Selecting a turbo because that's what is available within your budget at the moment is a recipe for disaster as well. If there is one thing you should never ever ever cheap out on, it's the turbo. (though you shouldn't cheap out on anything for that matter). To give you an idea, I paid 2K for my turbo and the extra stuff (ext. wastegate, lines, 02 housing, etc.) to get it to fit properly on the car. Sure it was a big expenditure and took a lot of thought, but I've never regretted it. I'm not saying a 500 evo3 16g is a bad decision because it's relatively affordable, but the price should be reflective of the frame of the turbo to some extent, keep that in mind.

If it seems like we're giving you a hard time here it's because you're asking a very difficult question and it's one that, as circular as it sounds, only you can really answer. You've got to do the research, find out exactly how much money it takes to properly reach the goals you're tossing out like secondhand news, decide if that's what you're prepared to sacrifice for a hobby, and finally put together your own build sheet based on your tolerance for streetability - hp goals - budget total - reliability and maintenance requirements. I can't tell you your own tolerance for things like streetability or budget expenses any more than I can tell you if you prefer B, C, or D cups.

[BudmannG]

D's definatly!

I understand what your saying Kris, I am done asking stupid questions until I get a game plan going.

I am just going to rebuild the motor for now.

[akamiami]

I am done asking stupid questions until I get a game plan going.

no, it's definately not a stupid question, the problem is that it's too difficult for us to hope to answer for you. furthermore, you're right for asking yourself this now, before you arrange for modifications that aren't in line with your end goals, whatever they may be.

again, take some time, do a lot of research online and plan, plan, plan. remember the old saying measure twice and cut once? well, let's apply it here, but say 'plan and revise the plan untill you've exhausted your possibilities, and then execute once'.

[BudmannG]

This is the front mount that I want to buy.
MachV

[treydawgs4g63T]

Im not just building it to beat people in Pekin I just wanna get some revenge.

[The Iron Goat]

As Miami said, Bud, I meant nothing critical by my earlier comment. We just need a game plan on your part to help. And to clarify, a game plan isn't "this is the front mount I want to buy". How do you know that's what you want? Will it work with the setup you intend for your future? Performance engine parts aren't giant bandaids or one size fits all panty hose.

Sit down, and decide what size (not by brand or anything, just relative to stock flow) turbo you want, what you intend to do with the car (9sec dragster, road course, ect.), and how much money is right for you. This won't happen in an hour. It should take days and weeks of researching available options, flow charts, and specs to compile a database of useable info. Once that is done, you can say "I have such and such for goals and this is what my end result needs to be. What's the best option for acheiving premium fuel management? Best spark? Cooler intake charge with lowest pressure drop?"

Then, we can really shine for you and give some specific details. Your enthusiasm is awesome, so don't lose it. But for now it needs to be directed at information farming so you can make an educated decision about your goals. It's a lot of work, and that's why most folks don't want to do it for you. Decide what you want the car to be, and what you want your performance level to be, and we'll go from there.

ex: I'm trying to turn my 91 AWD into a 9sec class dragster. Is abc turbo and xyz intercooler capable of achieving that with supporting mods?

Good luck to you, buddy!!

[AWD DSM 1]

miami and goat put it a lot better than I ever could have!

I think your #1 priority is getting that motor running. Basically, build it the best you can with what you have available. If all you can afford is a quality stock rebuild, so be it. If you've got some left for forged pistons and rods, don't let any of us stop you. Just don't cheap out on some things (head gasket, arp head bolts, for example) so you can put forged internals in it.

[BudmannG]

So can I use the arp studs thatare already in it?

[ncgalant]

Given what you've said about your budget, give this a go.

Rebuild the stock motor($1500-$2000 for a good rebuild)
Get a good feel for tuning using what you currently have.
Then get yourself some injectors. Tune some more
Next an intercooler and piping.
Last a turbo. A stock motor will put up with a lot. Even more if you opt for forged pistons when you rebuild.

If you are wanting a 10 second car, good luck with that. If you are making a 12.0 car that can be run reliably on the street, then that is a good goal for your price range.

[BudmannG]

That has been my goal low 13's - 12's!
And that is what I have been leaving out this whole time. Sorry to everyone for the confusion that I have caused. That is exactly what I have been looking for ncgalant.
What do I have to get motor wise, as in rebuild parts?

[AWD DSM 1]

You're looking for 300-325 horse then. Easy to do on a stock motor.

[turbohcar]

rod bearings
main bearings
piston rings
headgasket
exhaust mani. gasket
intake mani gasket
RTV for the oil pan
valve cover gasket
timing belt
timing belt tensioner
and a new rear main seal wouldn't hurt either

That's all I can think of at the moment. There are plenty of places on the intraweb that sell complete kits, it's just a matter of what brand you want to go with.

[black92_tsi_awd]

That has been my goal low 13's - 12's!
And that is what I have been leaving out this whole time. Sorry to everyone for the confusion that I have caused. That is exactly what I have been looking for ncgalant.
What do I have to get motor wise, as in rebuild parts?

Bud
Look at my mods, you've seen my car...I'm running low 13's with a stock motor, stock 14b and SMIC and 450's. It's a 1G vs your 2G but my point is you shouldn't need a lot of exotic stuff to run that goal.

[BudmannG]

That has been my goal low 13's - 12's!
And that is what I have been leaving out this whole time. Sorry to everyone for the confusion that I have caused. That is exactly what I have been looking for ncgalant.
What do I have to get motor wise, as in rebuild parts?

Bud
Look at my mods, you've seen my car...I'm running low 13's with a stock motor, stock 14b and SMIC and 450's. It's a 1G vs your 2G but my point is you shouldn't need a lot of exotic stuff to run that goal.

Thanks man I will do that.

[The Iron Goat]

Just don't forget to add at least 10 product stickers, a huge wing, and, of course, some NAAAAAAWWWWWWSSSSS!!!!!

I think you'll be pleasantly suprised with what you can do on a relatively stock setup. Let us know what you end up doing.

[BudmannG]

So..... Should i even worry about hooking up the SAFC? And can I reuse the arp studs that I have in the motor already?

[ncgalant]

Hook up the SAFC. SAFC + AFPR = good tuning on injectors 750cc or less(on pump gas). Add an eprom ECU with a better base setup and the sky's the limit. I'm pretty sure ARPs are reusable, but don't take my word for that. I've heard it, but never used them.

[natedogg]

ARP's are reusable.

[The Iron Goat]

So..... Should i even worry about hooking up the SAFC? And can I reuse the arp studs that I have in the motor already?

As mentioned, definitely hook up the safc. Good fuel management is a must for proper tuning. Just know that you prolly won't need something as advanced as a standalone ECU to achieve your goals. black92's got a good idea with the combo eprom/ safc, too.