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 May 17 2006, 12:50 AM
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Ok, my talon is bone stock never seen more the 10 psi ( or whatever stock is ) and Im getting ready to change the head gasket. Im going to just order a .020 over rebuild kit from MACHV.com but have a ?. I have oil in my coolant, and one of the cylinders psi is lower than the others. 1-162 2-163 3-163 4-149 so i figured it is the headgasket. I dont really want to rebuild the motor since I know its never been beat on and I really wanna race on slopony or dsmday.
Should I just replace the headgasket, water pump , and timing belt for now and rebuild it completly in the winter months? pulling the motor twice doesnt bother me. Or should I just go ahead and do it all now? Again the motor is bone stock and indicates all signs of just a blown headgasket. If I do it all now I wont have it done by either event and that wouldnt be very cool. I am probably just going to leave it for now and do it in the winter but just wanted everyones .02 cents. thanks Travis -------------------- "One of the most Crazy and Undecisive Members in central Illinois"
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May 17 2006, 06:43 AM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
stock boost is 12-14 psi.
service limit on cylinder compression is 135. a good motor should be around 150-155. If the motor runs, I'd say you didn't do the compression test correctly. most of the time the motor won't run for shit if it's got compression under 90. Take your motor to a machine shop before ordering a rebuild kit. Only they will be able to tell you what, if any oversize parts you need. This is exactly the reason I'm not rebuilding my motor right now... I had a kit with all stock parts, but my motor needed bored .40 over and the crank needed turned. It's hard to know what to do without pulling the motor apart an knowing for sure if it's really a blown headgasket as you think, or if there are other forces at work. Only way to know for sure is to tear it down. -------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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May 17 2006, 06:56 AM
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Post Master Group: Members Posts: 864 Joined: 12-July 05 From: Illinois Member No.: 556 |
Thats what I thought and that sucks bad!!! Although I guess it would suck even more to be in your boat and have the standard parts that you cant use. Guess ill have a busy weekend.
Oh yeah, those numbers are 162,163,163,149 just forgot the ( 1 ) -------------------- "One of the most Crazy and Undecisive Members in central Illinois"
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May 17 2006, 07:38 AM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
If that's the case, I'd leave it alone. I highly doubt you blew a head gasket if you're still getting 149 on the worst one. That motor is fine.
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May 17 2006, 11:19 AM
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But if that's the case, the why would he have oil mixing with coolant? Could have good compression with a bad gasket if the damage is limited to the coolant sleeve or something similar, I suppose.
-------------------- QUOTE (gsxracer80 @ Oct 31 2006, 12:41 AM)
thanks hcar.... I am still massaging that area trying to get it ready...  |
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May 17 2006, 11:35 AM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
I'd suspect the water to oil cooler...
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May 17 2006, 12:01 PM
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Good point. It's always helpful to have a couple sets of eyes looking at a problem.
 Speaking of rebuilds, how's your's coming, Rob? Are you painting it yellow? For fear of the Goat!?!?! Muwhahahahaha!!! -------------------- QUOTE (gsxracer80 @ Oct 31 2006, 12:41 AM)
thanks hcar.... I am still massaging that area trying to get it ready... |
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May 17 2006, 12:12 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
QUOTE (The Iron Goat @ May 17 2006, 12:01 PM) Good point. It's always helpful to have a couple sets of eyes looking at a problem. Speaking of rebuilds, how's your's coming, Rob? Are you painting it yellow? For fear of the Goat!?!?! Muwhahahahaha!!! It's black... like a ninja... 
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May 17 2006, 04:17 PM
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Post Master Group: Members Posts: 864 Joined: 12-July 05 From: Illinois Member No.: 556 |
Ok, thanks for the advice and about the water to oil cooler. Should I just change the seal or the whole thing. The cooler is 420$ brand new and I have a couple seals they were only $3. Im still going to pull the motor and clean it up real good this weekend.
-------------------- "One of the most Crazy and Undecisive Members in central Illinois"
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May 17 2006, 06:20 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
the part that goes bad is where the water lines feed into near the oil filter. there are disks of alternating water and oil, intended to cool the oil. they tend to leak over time. I've got a good one I just pulled off my motor if your interested. You'll need the gasket is all.
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May 18 2006, 01:03 AM
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Post Master Group: Members Posts: 864 Joined: 12-July 05 From: Illinois Member No.: 556 |
ive got an extra one that im gonna switch it out with. Is there a way to tell if there bad?
-------------------- "One of the most Crazy and Undecisive Members in central Illinois"
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May 18 2006, 02:42 AM
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Post Master Group: Members Posts: 864 Joined: 12-July 05 From: Illinois Member No.: 556 |
which head gasket should i go with?
mitsu metal 4 layer cometic -------------------- "One of the most Crazy and Undecisive Members in central Illinois"
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May 18 2006, 07:30 AM
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 Zen Master DSM Group: Moderators Posts: 3,008 Joined: 10-January 01 From: in front of you Member No.: 5 |
Both are good HG's but given a choice I'd go with the cometic. Get some ARP head studs too.
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May 18 2006, 07:39 AM
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Post Master Group: Members Posts: 864 Joined: 12-July 05 From: Illinois Member No.: 556 |
yeah i have those waiting in the checkout just had to have an input on a head gasket. Thanks and that was the one I had picked.
-------------------- "One of the most Crazy and Undecisive Members in central Illinois"
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May 18 2006, 07:54 AM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,404 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Fletcher/Bloomington Member No.: 214 |
Cometic makes two different headgaskets for these cars. One is a 25psi or lower rated and one is a 30+ rated gasket. Both of which are good, just depends on what you want to do. The Mitsu 4-layer (the one that I HAD on my car) is also a very good gasket. It's supposed to hold 25psi as well with the ARP's. Make sure that you torque the ARP's down in the same order as stock and follow ARP's torque specs.
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May 19 2006, 10:29 PM
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Post Master Group: Members Posts: 864 Joined: 12-July 05 From: Illinois Member No.: 556 |
anybody ever gotten the .040 over rebuild kit from machV.com?
-------------------- "One of the most Crazy and Undecisive Members in central Illinois"
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