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 Aug 19 2007, 01:18 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather  Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26  |
I've heard a rumor that twin scroll Garret GT ball bearing turbos are or will be coming out in the GT35 and GT42 sizes. Does anyone have more info on this or a web link? Sounds very interesting to make a 35R or GT42 spool up quickly... Almost dangerous.
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Aug 20 2007, 08:30 AM
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 DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 396 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 8 |
Is this something different from the current twin scroll turbos they offer? The GT42 we have right now appears to be a twin scroll.
GT42 taken in '06 -------------------- |
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Aug 20 2007, 08:34 AM
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 Zen Master DSM Group: Moderators Posts: 3,008 Joined: 10-January 01 From: in front of you Member No.: 5 |
Do you know if they currently offer that twin scroll in the with a ball bearing CHRA? I think that was what ODT was referencing.
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Aug 20 2007, 08:39 AM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 244 Joined: 3-March 03 From: Bloomington Member No.: 97 |
The twin scroll housing is available regardless of BB or Journal Bearing CHRA. You can swap the compressor/exhaust housings off of each turbo with the opposing version.
FWIW if you arent running a twin scroll manifold you're not going to get nearly as good of benefits seen when using a twin scroll hotside...... -------------------- 1990 Nissan 300ZX T
1992 Accord EX |
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Aug 20 2007, 09:05 AM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 396 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 8 |
QUOTE (Booztd 3 @ Aug 20 2007, 09:39 AM) The twin scroll housing is available regardless of BB or Journal Bearing CHRA. You can swap the compressor/exhaust housings off of each turbo with the opposing version. FWIW if you arent running a twin scroll manifold you're not going to get nearly as good of benefits seen when using a twin scroll hotside...... Yup ours is a ball bearingg and as Booztd 3 said the housings are interchangable. We do have a manifold that takes advantage of the twin scroll. link -------------------- |
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Aug 20 2007, 11:26 AM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Is this the same set-up that we watched you dyno over 800HP with Darryl? If memory serves me right you weren't seing the real power until the high 7000 RPM area.
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Aug 20 2007, 11:30 AM
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 DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 6-February 04 From: Bloomington Member No.: 233 |
Guess I need to get my butt in gear and do somthing with this tial v-band housing I have for my 42R. Robert @ FP said that it would spool better than the cast T4 housings.
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Aug 20 2007, 12:31 PM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 244 Joined: 3-March 03 From: Bloomington Member No.: 97 |
QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Aug 20 2007, 12:26 PM) Is this the same set-up that we watched you dyno over 800HP with Darryl? If memory serves me right you weren't seing the real power until the high 7000 RPM area. The 42 is a late spooling turbo regardless of housings, stuff just isnt going to happen fast w/out the aid of nitrous. Here's my dyno chart at only 18psi...... 
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Aug 20 2007, 02:37 PM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 396 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 8 |
QUOTE (awd4kicks @ Aug 20 2007, 12:26 PM) Is this the same set-up that we watched you dyno over 800HP with Darryl? If memory serves me right you weren't seing the real power until the high 7000 RPM area. Yes and no. Since then we put in Brian Crower 280 cams, much better intercooler and most importantly the cams were not degreed in. The head we're using has been shaved a few times and who knows what else has changed, but anyway both of the cams we're retarded to what seems to be about 4 degrees. At the Michigan Nopi event the turbo spooled about 1600 rpms sooner!! The first pass I came out of the hole easy expecting to bog and the car just dead hooked and pulled a 1.400 60'. The car hit 40 psi in 1st gear! It had never done this. The next pass gentle out of the hole and the same thing 1.403 60'. The rest of those runs had some electrical/fuel pressure issues. Lately the car has been running 10.1-10.9 with the car not running at the 1/8 mile and coasting through the 1/4 mile trap between 96 and 110. So forget what you saw on the dyno everything was messed up then. Our best run to date was 9.2@160.65 and we hit 127 in the 1/8th. The 60' was horrible and this was before the cam timing correction. The new IC net only a 10 degree temp increase during the 1/4 versus the old one it rose 50 to 80 degrees. Hopefully the next time out the issues are resolved and we can see some real ET's. -------------------- |
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Aug 20 2007, 03:24 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
So do you feel that you are into the meat of the HP by the high 6000RPM area like Andy's graph represents or do you have a guess?
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Aug 20 2007, 10:51 PM
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DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 396 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 8 |
I would say yes without a question. We may also ditch the 42R for something that spools a little better and makes more power.
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Aug 21 2007, 06:15 AM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Excellent! Can't wait to see the new set-up
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Aug 21 2007, 07:44 AM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 244 Joined: 3-March 03 From: Bloomington Member No.: 97 |
QUOTE (awdnot2 @ Aug 20 2007, 11:51 PM) I would say yes without a question. We may also ditch the 42R for something that spools a little better and makes more power. I am also in the works of doing something different, got a few cars up my sleeve 
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Aug 21 2007, 04:33 PM
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