Project: The TSI AWD that could. Options

[93dsmowner]

So I will have some cash to burn in the next few weeks and I want to get ahold of some parts before I get the intercooler in.

I'm looking for something in the area of 400hp out of this car. What do I need?

Right now I'm looking at:
Buschur 3" Turboback Exhaust w/ O2 eliminator housing
EvoIII 16G Fully ported
SBR Tubular ported header
Turbosmart 38mm wastegate


I would guess that that would be a good way to start on my 400hp goal. This car won't be moving for quite a while, since it needs a tranny so I figure I will keep looking for a used one while I build it up.

What kind of injector size am I looking at? Would a set of AMS 580's get me there or do I need to be looking for something more like 660's or 750's?

Cams are on the list but not necessarily a priority yet, but I'm looking at 272's unless the 264's are all that is necessary.

I'm prowling DSMTalk as well in between working 45 hours a week so I'm trying to pick up on stuff but your help would be much appreciated!

[ncgalant]

If it were me, I would go with
EVO316g
650-720cc injectors
2g exhuast manifold
2g O2 housing
SAFC2
2g MAF or MAFT and 3" GM maf
3" exhaust of your choice


Use the internal wastegate, it'll do the job just fine. A pretty header is just pretty, but not real functional for your goal. I've always looked for the most power for my buck. If pretty under the hood is what you're looking for, then that's another story. Keep reading the archives at DSMTalk. I did the same when I was new. There's a lot of good info there.

[Dakota_DSM]

I don't think You are going to get 400awhp out of a 16g.... You mite want something bigger...

50 trim or 20g with supporting mods and link....

[ncgalant]

I guess that one depends on what you mean by horsepower too. Are we talking wheel horsepower or crank horsepower? They say that 400whp is possible on an evo3 16g, but 350 is a much more realistic number. That being said, 350whp is roughly 422 crank horses.

[93dsmowner]

Well, if I stayed closer to a stock power number (Like 300-350) then it'd be easier on the tranny.

I just wish that tranny rebuilds weren't so expensive (ie $1500)

[ncgalant]

Something to consider there. 350whp is well over double what your car made out of the factory.

195 * .83 = 162whp

The coolest thing about that is that the stock 14b has dyno'd 300whp with only light mods, and well more on track only cars running air/water intercoolers.

[93dsmowner]

Wait.

Rephrase that last part.

I'd have to run a air/water intercooler (crammed full of ice I reckon) and light mods for 300hp out of the 14b?


300hp seems to be my first goal. I'm going to have the $$$ for a tranny in about 3 weeks ($1200+~$600-$1000) so I would like to get on track with my project in the next week or two to get a general idea.

If I stick with the 14B, would I be best off to rebuild it?
I have a Punishment Racing FMIC at the moment, as well as a MBC.

So what am I lookin at for 300hp?


Gauges (Boost but what else is necessary?)
Fuel injectors (Would 550's from AMS do me or am I looking at more in the way of 600+?)
Walbro 255lph fuel pump and do the rewire.
Turboback 3" with O2 delete and cat delete
3" mandrel bent tube with silicon fittings for an intake. Would it work? Would the turbo be too hot for the silicon couplers?
2G Header


What should I be looking for in a tranny for 300hp? Right now I'm looking at the DevoTuning rebuild for $800 since it replaces all syncros.

[ncgalant]

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86149

Those are the best dyno numbers you'll get from a 14b. He runs a 12.00 with it.

[black92_tsi_awd]

I would concentrate on getting the trans fixed. All your other mods are useless if the trans is broke and it won't run. A stock trans will take you to the 11's. How fast do you want to go??

See my garage...a 14b can take you to the 12's. I'm currently running 12.4's to 12.8's depending on the weather at 17-18 psi. Supra SMIC, 550's, 2 1/2" intake and exhaust piping and 2g exhaust and O2 housings. Pretty simple stuff.

[93dsmowner]

12's would be plenty fast I think.

I found a rebuild locally for $800.

Well, locally... 3 hours north at DevoTuning.

I have $1100 right now. I shot them an email asking a worst case scenario so I know what kind of $$$ I need to have to spend before I drop it off up there.

[black92_tsi_awd]

One thing I always do with shops is ask for the broken parts back. It tends to keep places honest. Unless there's a core charge involved with the part you're getting fixed, a good shop won't hae any problems giving you the broken stuff back or at least showing you the components they need to keep for cores.

I'm not saying there's anything bad about Devotuning, just a general statement.

[93dsmowner]

I'm like a woman apparently...

I didn't notice the Specials page at TRE. Looks like they have trannies that don't require a core.

Now, is the 4 spider that much better than the 2 spider? It's an extra $350 so it would take another 2 weeks to pay for it, but if it's worth it then I will go with that.

91-94 AWD

1991-94 AWD STAGE 1 This transmission features: glass beaded case, OEM gear ratios, double synchro 2nd gear, HD 3/4 gearset, 2 spider center differential w/ Torrington bearing and a 23 spline output shaft. SPECIAL PRICE $1000 no core required.

1991-94 AWD STAGE 1 This transmission features: glass beaded case, OEM gear ratios, double synchro 2nd gear, HD 3/4 gearset, 4 spider center differential w/ Torrington bearing and a 23 spline output shaft. SPECIAL PRICE $1350 no core required.

1991-94 AWD STAGE 2 This transmission features: glass beaded case, OEM gear ratios, double synchro 2nd gear, HD 3/4 gearset, 4 spider center differential w/ Torrington bearing, RIPGRIP limited slip front diff, and a 23 spline output shaft. SPECIAL PRICE $1600 no core required.

1991-94 AWD STAGE 2 This transmission features: glass beaded case, OEM gear ratios, double synchro 2nd gear, HD 3/4 gearset, TRE spooled center differential and a 23 spline output shaft. SPECIAL PRICE $1250 no core required.

1991-94 AWD STAGE 3 This transmission features: shot peened gears, glass beaded case, EVO-III 1st gear, double synchro 2nd gear, EVO-III double synchro close ratio 3rd/4th gearset, 4 spider center differential w/ Torrington bearing and a 23 spline output shaft. SPECIAL PRICE $2500 no core required.

[black92_tsi_awd]

I would get the best transmission you can afford. But if you spend all your cash on a $2500 trans, you may not have the cash to get it rolling. And that's where the fun is.

Like I said a good stock trans will get you in the 11's, I've got probably 150+ drag strip runs on my stock rebuild (new sycros and a couple gears) with no issues.

Don't forget to invest in a decent clutch, that will play an important role in getting the power to the ground.

[93dsmowner]

Well, I'm going to probably spend $1300 on the 4 spider Stage 1.

Or $1250 on the TRE Spooled Stage 2. Not sure. What does the spool do?

(Sorry, on lunch break so short on time. Lol. )

[black92_tsi_awd]

I beleive the spool will lock the drive between the front and rear drive wheels. There will be no compensation for slippage between the front drive wheels and the rear.

[awd4kicks]

For street driving stick with the 4 spider instead of the spool. The spider will deliver the same power that the spool will and it will be invisible to you. The spool will cause the tires to chirp and lock in slow tight turns like when you are in a parking lot. If you want to hear what it sounds like your more than welcome to take a ride in my spooled Talon.

[93dsmowner]

It'd be nice to take a ride in a 11 second Talon Marcus. Where are you located? Washburn right?

[black92_tsi_awd]

Just shine the Mitsu logo on a cloud from a spotlight....

The Talon will arrive to save the day








It's like calling Batman, but at least the Talon's power is real....

[ncgalant]

Just shine the Mitsu logo on a cloud from a spotlight....

The Talon will arrive to save the day








It's like calling Batman, but at least the Talon's power is real....

well most of the time, when she's not erasing chips for fun

[93dsmowner]

Hah

Does anyone know how the shipping service works for TRE?

Do I have to pay for S&H? I can't get a straight answer from Jon at the moment :[

I'm planning on selling my core to him for $400 and getting the $1600 specials tranny with the RIPGRIP, double 2nd, 3rd and 4th HD, and the 4 spider torrington transfer case.