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post Sep 11 2007, 06:13 AM
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I beilve when I had my head rebuilt by kalina several years ago it was around $220... Since you have the head off and are taking it to the shop anyway, make sure to have it resurfaced. 90% of the heads I've seen have been warped, even if just slightly, after being pulled and won't seal correctly when put back on.


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post Sep 11 2007, 06:52 PM
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I'll have them check the flatness too biggthumpup.gif

What is this and do I need to take it off before sending it to the shop?


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post Sep 11 2007, 07:12 PM
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have you ever heard of lindertech injectors???? I have heard good things about them... I think they are out of indianapolis


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post Sep 11 2007, 09:45 PM
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Its the oil distribution manifold. Go ahead and remove if the head will be hot tanked. Hopefully the basket will remain intact. Some do some don't


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post Sep 12 2007, 10:02 AM
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Injectors are on the way back to FIC....

Head is at Kalina's....they said they can tear the head down and should call me in the morning.

It's like waiting for test results t come back, pray for the best, expect the worst...


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post Sep 13 2007, 06:32 AM
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I asked Kalina about that last time I took a head in... they don't do that type of work.


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post Sep 13 2007, 03:46 PM
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prally stupid but balance shaft removal for a very small amount?


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post Sep 14 2007, 12:08 PM
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Kalina called today...
Doesn't look good, the heads already been remanf. Can take one more slight redecking.
The guides are all shot and the burnt valve completely took out that valve guide.
The center 2 cylinders apparently have a pretty sh$tty seat replacement job and they're sitting too high in the head.

Redo everythingcost $390 labor and $107 in parts ohmy.gif

I can't spend that much on this head and if I damage it again it won't be able to be redecked without having to worry about proper valve timing and clearance. So all that money would be wasted.

Guess I might be in the market for another head.

I am going to call Kalina back and see if I can just salvage the really bad cylinder and redo a better head later.


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post Sep 14 2007, 06:57 PM
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You should be able to find a decent freshened head for way less than that. Check all the classifieds on the net and look for something decent. If not try the salvage yard too.


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post Sep 14 2007, 09:02 PM
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I started looking tonight...

I assume a 6 bolt head is different from a 7 bolt?

An NA engine has a different head also?


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post Sep 14 2007, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE (black92_tsi_awd @ Sep 14 2007, 09:02 PM)
I started looking tonight...

I assume a 6 bolt head is different from a 7 bolt?

An NA engine has a different head also?

7-bolt head is different than the 6-bolt. You'll want the 6-bolt one as it's much better on the flow bench. I don't recall any differences between NA and Turbo on the 4G63 head.


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post Sep 17 2007, 07:16 AM
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Actually, in terms of flow all 1G heads are the same. The smaller intake ports come in with 2G cars. So either 6 or 7 bolt 1G head should work just fine.
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post Sep 17 2007, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (natedogg @ Sep 17 2007, 07:16 AM)
The smaller intake ports come in with 2G cars.

That's what I was thinking but not saying correctly. Thanks for clarifying Nate biggthumpup.gif


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post Sep 19 2007, 10:20 AM
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Does a head HAVE to be decked everytime it's removed from the block?

In other words, can a recenting freshened head (<10000 miles) be bolted on without decking?


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post Sep 19 2007, 12:38 PM
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Problem lies with the aluminium they are made out of... very tempermental. Just unbolting the head can warp it slightly. From my experiences, I would never put a head on without it being at least checked by a machine shop. Cheaper to have it looked at and even decked, than put it on and figure out it's bad and have to buy a new head gasket and take the time to pull everything back apart.


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post Sep 19 2007, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE (AWD DSM 1 @ Sep 19 2007, 12:38 PM)
Problem lies with the aluminium they are made out of... very tempermental. Just unbolting the head can warp it slightly. From my experiences, I would never put a head on without it being at least checked by a machine shop. Cheaper to have it looked at and even decked, than put it on and figure out it's bad and have to buy a new head gasket and take the time to pull everything back apart.

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post Sep 19 2007, 04:21 PM
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Update...second head I got is worn out. Need guides, then recut seat off new guide, redeck etc. Ends up costing almost as much as the first estimate. It looked to be virgin and not previously decked so would still have some life to it-Kalina has to reconfirm how much material is left.

I've gotten several offers on other heads in varying condition, but by the time I factor in decking a "newly freshened head' I'm probably near the same price point and still have a head that's still used.

I guess if I had them redo the latest head, it would be esentially new and I would be good for a while.

I'm pretty tapped out (car fund wise) so unless the wife takes pity on me I might be done for the year sad.gif


Injectors did come back today. The dead cylinder's injector did measure a little lower than the other. I don't think it was enough to cause a lean enough condition to burn the valve down. FIC cleaned it and checked the flow on the others. They also through in some new orings. Should be good to go there, one less thing to worry about.


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post Sep 19 2007, 09:10 PM
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Sounds like you have enough cylinder head options, but if you want to check one more Josh has a used one. You can reach him at 696-1062. Let him know I had you call him.


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post Sep 20 2007, 08:51 PM
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how many times can a head be decked? I'm curious what is the service life of our heads?


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post Sep 21 2007, 01:45 PM
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It's based on how much material is left in the deck surface after it is milled.


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