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 Feb 28 2006, 01:24 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard  Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10  |
The ultimate question... What's the perfect AWD DSM setup? Obviously something different to each person. "What's it used for" or "what is your ultimate goal" are the typical responses. I'll supply the rules, you supply the mods. Let's see what we come up with.
Car will not have to be used for daily commutes. Weekend warrior, fair weather car only. Car must be comfortable enough to drive on the street, and possibly on a trip every now and then. Stock interior and creature comforts will remain for the most part (cruise, a/c power widows, etc.) Gas milage is somewhat of a concern. Ultimate goal - run mid 11's on race gas. It also needs to handle well, not just go in a straight line. Suggestions I'm looking for - Turbo setup Intercooler Fuel system Engine mods Drivetrain Suspension Tuning Safety I've got some ideas in my head, but want to keep an open mind. 
-------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Feb 28 2006, 01:41 PM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 25-June 04 From: 61554 Member No.: 314 |
I have that set up minus a better FMIC sitting in front of my house.
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Feb 28 2006, 01:42 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
It doesn't do much good just sitting there!
-------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Feb 28 2006, 01:44 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 25-June 04 From: 61554 Member No.: 314 |
well it still needs a tune and it is my DD
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Feb 28 2006, 05:43 PM
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 Post Master Group: Members Posts: 986 Joined: 7-July 04 From: Central Illinois Member No.: 318 |
Start with Natedogg's '03 Evo listed in the exchange ...
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Feb 28 2006, 06:18 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,404 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Fletcher/Bloomington Member No.: 214 |
Well, here's something to think about:
SBR G-50 turbo (cheap and effective) SBR Huge 1G FMIC kit w/ 2.5in intercooler pipes Tial BOV SBR Mitsu style 7cm exhaust manifold w/ Turbonetics Deltagate wastegate VRS turboback 3in exhaust w/ O2 eliminator Crebotech special manual boost controller 800cc injectors SBR fuel tank to rail fuel line kit Supra fuel pump Full Throttle AFPR (cheaper than the Aeromotive but still just as effective) Kris144 intake pipe w/ K&N filter EVO VIII MAS DSM Link w/ Eprom computer KYB AGX struts Eibach Pro-Kit springs Suspension Techniques rear sway bar Crower Stage 3 cams Crower springs and retainers Dejon Tool intake manifold 2G oversize pistons 1G "big" rods shot peened balanced and knife edged crank Mitsu 4-layer headgasket ARP head studs ARP crank studs ARP rod bolts Fidanza flywheel ACT 2600lb clutch w/ 6puck race disk SloPony rebuilt transmission welded center differential 4-bolt rear diff Centerline lightweight wheels BF Goodrich G-Force Sport tires 3000GT big brake upgrade w/ slotted rotors Hawk brake pads -------------------- "I hear he tunes the space shuttle also...and that thing is fast"
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Feb 28 2006, 06:41 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for! Keep it coming!
-------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Feb 28 2006, 06:52 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,404 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Fletcher/Bloomington Member No.: 214 |
Can you tell I've been thinking about this stuff for awhile? All of it is opinionated of course but it would definitely be my vote. Some of the things on the list are things that I already have or things I'd like to have.
-------------------- "I hear he tunes the space shuttle also...and that thing is fast"
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Feb 28 2006, 07:59 PM
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 Post Master Group: Members Posts: 729 Joined: 19-September 02 From: New Baden, IL Member No.: 7 |
-Stroke it baby, with eagle rods and 8.5:1 compression (at least)
-With a stroker in mind, I am a big fan of ball bearing turbos, so what about a GT-30R -Tial Wastegate reciruclating into the exhaust -Tial BOV (they look good together) -Crebotech Race spec MBC -DSR FMIC w/ 3" piping -HK$ 3" Exhaust (stock looking tailpipe) -800cc injectors -COP setup -AEM EMS w/ wideband, egt, map sensor -FRH intake with map sensor setup -3000gt fuel pump -AFPR -Dual spring valve springs -valve job with port and polish and .5" larger valves -cams unknown right now. maybe the comp "severe competition" cams -minimum 6pt. cage -sparco driver's seat with harnesses (two seats are for looks) -relocated red top battery -I think a tein suspension would have more adjustability. -AEM Big Brake Upgrade -Volk Racing TE37's baby!!! -Hoosier rubber -Corner weighted That's what I got so far. It's been a really long time since I thought about anything like this. Please be kind on criticism -------------------- -The original (member) 007. Stop looking at me Spy!!
-98 S-10 P/U creepin' low on stock 15s!! -You come off just a little more intelligent if you know how to spell the insults in addition to saying them |
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Feb 28 2006, 08:02 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,404 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Fletcher/Bloomington Member No.: 214 |
JBone, I don't think there is a wrong answer to this question, so criticism shouldn't be an issue. It's all in how much you want to spend and the combination of parts you want on your car. An 11sec car can be made in an unlimited number of ways.
-------------------- "I hear he tunes the space shuttle also...and that thing is fast"
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Feb 28 2006, 09:51 PM
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Post Master Group: Members Posts: 986 Joined: 7-July 04 From: Central Illinois Member No.: 318 |
Natedogg's '03 Evo
650 Injectors Walbro 255 hiflo HKS 272/272 or Works 269/269 cams Buschur Racing Deluxe FMIC Buchur IC piping Mini-battery kit Buschur Intake APS BOV Hallman Pro or Forge MBC 3" turboback of your choice w/cat-delete pipe and spark plug spacer fix ported O2 housing 10.5 hotside turbine housing Evo IX-20g turbo FP's WGA Dynoflash Eibach Pro Spring Kit RRE's rear sway OEM rubber and tires are good enough -------------------- ... she likes bein' forced ...
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Mar 1 2006, 08:49 AM
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 Zen Master DSM Group: Moderators Posts: 3,008 Joined: 10-January 01 From: in front of you Member No.: 5 |
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Mar 1 2006, 09:38 AM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Nice list Jbone. Sounds alot like my set-up minus the expensive stuff. ie: AEM EMS, Volk wheels, Sparko Seats, TEIN suspension, and 3" IC piping. And the injectors are 850cc with the fuel pressure turned up a bit through a Walboro 255HP rather than a 3000GT fuel pump.
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Mar 1 2006, 12:41 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
Anybody got a good website for some compressor maps of different turbos?
-------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Mar 1 2006, 12:56 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,404 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Fletcher/Bloomington Member No.: 214 |
How about some dyno test results?
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread...773#post1818773 As far as "different turbos" could you elaborate a little more as to how big these mystery turbos would be? -------------------- "I hear he tunes the space shuttle also...and that thing is fast"
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Mar 4 2006, 08:23 AM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Rob,
If your looking at Garrett turbos there are a ton of maps here at Turbobygarrett.com Click on small, medium or large to see the different sizes of turbos, then click on the desired turbo for the map. Have fun! -------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Mar 4 2006, 08:46 AM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 25-June 04 From: 61554 Member No.: 314 |
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/turbotech.htmlhttp://users.wfu.edu/pipejw02/
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Mar 4 2006, 07:49 PM
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 Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 110 Joined: 5-May 03 From: Granite City, IL Member No.: 128 |
The best setup for cheap is:
14B turbo ported 510-550cc injectors Adjustable FPR Stock 1G BOV or Greddy type S or RS 3000gt or walbro fuel pump and rewire 3" exhaust 2G mas and SAFC I or II OR GM Mas and translator Hard IC piping supra sidemount IC 2G exhaust manifold ported 2G O2 Housing ported K&N with gutted air box ACT 2100-2600 KYB shocks The reason I like this setup is because if you bargain shop you can put it together for less then 2500. And the reason I would stick with the 14B to start is because this setup will give you about 280hp on race gas at 20 psi and you can run around 17psi on the street on pump if its tuned well. And if you get sick of it you can upgrade to a 16G and not change anything, then you can up the boost to 25psi and make around 310hp on race gas. And, If you get sick of that upgrade to a 20g and 650cc injectors and a front mount IC and up the boost to 28-30psi and make around 350hp on race gas. Now as far as the perfect setup, go to shepracing.com and youll find it there. -------------------- Drew Taylor; 1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
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Mar 24 2006, 09:22 AM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
OK... what do you guys think of this...
Evo III 16g turbo GM MAF & Translator K&N Cone filter 144 intake pipe Supra Sidemount IC sprayer (water or no2) 2.5" IC Piping SS valves 3 angle job 2g pistons/no balance shafts ARP Head studs 2g exhaust manifold SS O2 housing 3" downpipe 3" Test Pipe 3" catback ACT 2600 ACT flywheel 17" wheels and tires 93-94 Big brakes Eibach Springs KYB AGX Shocks Walbro 255 Fuel pump rewired AFPR 720cc injectors EGT Boost gauge MBC Pillar pod Pocketlogger Relocated battery Turbo Timer Front and Rear Strut Bars E-prom ECU 4-bolt rear end Beginnings of this project should be arriving this weekend.... 
-------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Mar 24 2006, 10:59 AM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
That sounds like the makings of a VERY powerful street brawler Rob! I love the power delivery of the EVOIII 16g and your supporting mod list looks very complete and sized adequately without going too big.
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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