The ultimate question... What's the perfect AWD DSM setup? Obviously something different to each person. "What's it used for" or "what is your ultimate goal" are the typical responses. I'll supply the rules, you supply the mods. Let's see what we come up with.

Car will not have to be used for daily commutes. Weekend warrior, fair weather car only. Car must be comfortable enough to drive on the street, and possibly on a trip every now and then. Stock interior and creature comforts will remain for the most part (cruise, a/c power widows, etc.) Gas milage is somewhat of a concern. Ultimate goal - run mid 11's on race gas. It also needs to handle well, not just go in a straight line.

Suggestions I'm looking for -

Turbo setup
Intercooler
Fuel system
Engine mods
Drivetrain
Suspension
Tuning
Safety

I've got some ideas in my head, but want to keep an open mind.

I have that set up minus a better FMIC sitting in front of my house.

It doesn't do much good just sitting there!

well it still needs a tune and it is my DD

Start with Natedogg's '03 Evo listed in the exchange ...

Well, here's something to think about:

SBR G-50 turbo (cheap and effective)
SBR Huge 1G FMIC kit w/ 2.5in intercooler pipes
Tial BOV
SBR Mitsu style 7cm exhaust manifold w/ Turbonetics Deltagate wastegate
VRS turboback 3in exhaust w/ O2 eliminator
Crebotech special manual boost controller
800cc injectors
SBR fuel tank to rail fuel line kit
Supra fuel pump
Full Throttle AFPR (cheaper than the Aeromotive but still just as effective)
Kris144 intake pipe w/ K&N filter
EVO VIII MAS
DSM Link w/ Eprom computer
KYB AGX struts
Eibach Pro-Kit springs
Suspension Techniques rear sway bar

Crower Stage 3 cams
Crower springs and retainers
Dejon Tool intake manifold
2G oversize pistons
1G "big" rods shot peened
balanced and knife edged crank
Mitsu 4-layer headgasket
ARP head studs
ARP crank studs
ARP rod bolts
Fidanza flywheel
ACT 2600lb clutch w/ 6puck race disk

SloPony rebuilt transmission
welded center differential
4-bolt rear diff
Centerline lightweight wheels
BF Goodrich G-Force Sport tires
3000GT big brake upgrade w/ slotted rotors
Hawk brake pads

That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for! Keep it coming!

Can you tell I've been thinking about this stuff for awhile? All of it is opinionated of course but it would definitely be my vote. Some of the things on the list are things that I already have or things I'd like to have.

-Stroke it baby, with eagle rods and 8.5:1 compression (at least)
-With a stroker in mind, I am a big fan of ball bearing turbos, so what about a GT-30R
-Tial Wastegate reciruclating into the exhaust
-Tial BOV (they look good together)
-Crebotech Race spec MBC
-DSR FMIC w/ 3" piping
-HK$ 3" Exhaust (stock looking tailpipe)
-800cc injectors
-COP setup
-AEM EMS w/ wideband, egt, map sensor
-FRH intake with map sensor setup
-3000gt fuel pump
-AFPR
-Dual spring valve springs
-valve job with port and polish and .5" larger valves
-cams unknown right now. maybe the comp "severe competition" cams
-minimum 6pt. cage
-sparco driver's seat with harnesses (two seats are for looks)
-relocated red top battery
-I think a tein suspension would have more adjustability.
-AEM Big Brake Upgrade
-Volk Racing TE37's baby!!!
-Hoosier rubber
-Corner weighted

That's what I got so far. It's been a really long time since I thought about anything like this. Please be kind on criticism

JBone, I don't think there is a wrong answer to this question, so criticism shouldn't be an issue. It's all in how much you want to spend and the combination of parts you want on your car. An 11sec car can be made in an unlimited number of ways.

Natedogg's '03 Evo
650 Injectors
Walbro 255 hiflo
HKS 272/272 or Works 269/269 cams
Buschur Racing Deluxe FMIC
Buchur IC piping
Mini-battery kit
Buschur Intake
APS BOV
Hallman Pro or Forge MBC
3" turboback of your choice w/cat-delete pipe and spark plug spacer fix
ported O2 housing
10.5 hotside turbine housing
Evo IX-20g turbo
FP's WGA
Dynoflash

Eibach Pro Spring Kit
RRE's rear sway
OEM rubber and tires are good enough

Nice list Jbone. Sounds alot like my set-up minus the expensive stuff. ie: AEM EMS, Volk wheels, Sparko Seats, TEIN suspension, and 3" IC piping. And the injectors are 850cc with the fuel pressure turned up a bit through a Walboro 255HP rather than a 3000GT fuel pump.

Anybody got a good website for some compressor maps of different turbos?

How about some dyno test results?

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread...773#post1818773

As far as "different turbos" could you elaborate a little more as to how big these mystery turbos would be?

Rob,

If your looking at Garrett turbos there are a ton of maps here at Turbobygarrett.com
Click on small, medium or large to see the different sizes of turbos, then click on the desired turbo for the map.

Have fun!

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/turbotech.htmlhttp://users.wfu.edu/pipejw02/

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/turbotech.html

The best setup for cheap is:
14B turbo ported
510-550cc injectors
Adjustable FPR
Stock 1G BOV or Greddy type S or RS
3000gt or walbro fuel pump and rewire
3" exhaust
2G mas and SAFC I or II OR GM Mas and translator
Hard IC piping
supra sidemount IC
2G exhaust manifold ported
2G O2 Housing ported
K&N with gutted air box
ACT 2100-2600
KYB shocks


The reason I like this setup is because if you bargain shop you can put it together for less then 2500. And the reason I would stick with the 14B to start is because this setup will give you about 280hp on race gas at 20 psi and you can run around 17psi on the street on pump if its tuned well. And if you get sick of it you can upgrade to a 16G and not change anything, then you can up the boost to 25psi and make around 310hp on race gas. And, If you get sick of that upgrade to a 20g and 650cc injectors and a front mount IC and up the boost to 28-30psi and make around 350hp on race gas.
Now as far as the perfect setup, go to shepracing.com and youll find it there.

OK... what do you guys think of this...

Evo III 16g turbo
GM MAF & Translator
K&N Cone filter
144 intake pipe
Supra Sidemount
IC sprayer (water or no2)
2.5" IC Piping
SS valves
3 angle job
2g pistons/no balance shafts
ARP Head studs
2g exhaust manifold
SS O2 housing
3" downpipe
3" Test Pipe
3" catback
ACT 2600
ACT flywheel
17" wheels and tires
93-94 Big brakes
Eibach Springs
KYB AGX Shocks
Walbro 255 Fuel pump rewired
AFPR
720cc injectors
EGT
Boost gauge
MBC
Pillar pod
Pocketlogger
Relocated battery
Turbo Timer
Front and Rear Strut Bars
E-prom ECU
4-bolt rear end

Beginnings of this project should be arriving this weekend....

That sounds like the makings of a VERY powerful street brawler Rob! I love the power delivery of the EVOIII 16g and your supporting mod list looks very complete and sized adequately without going too big.

is this the car I think it is?????

Time will tell...

Hehehehe, Rob, quit dreaming of my car you silly goat!

BTW, if you're going to get stainless valves, get the oversized ones.

if it is nice pick up

If you have to do cylinder head work and the valves need replaced I don't feel going to a more robust stainless steel valve is a bad decision, but I would stop there. Unless you are trying to get into the 8s or 9's it is evident that you don't need anymore than the stock head can provide from other experiences. What I'm running into is more headwork everytime I turn around. For the ET's I've turned I would have been much better off just sticking to stock heads and freshening them when needed. Much cheaper.

This is just my opinion, but after spending as much money as I have on performance cylinder heads I ought to know.

tdose that make you the head master??

No!

http://www.importevolution.com/product_inf...roducts_id=2931

Personaly I'm a big fan of this turbo, it's internaly gated, and it all bolts up!! Bounus, 2g mani and 02 housing=cheap power.

This turbo sits right between the FP 3052, and 3065 at a fration of the cost, and you don't have to buy a 44mm waste gate, or special 02 housings. By right between I mean the 3052 flows 52LBS/min and the 3065 flows 65LBS/min. This Precision turbo flows 58LBS/min. From what I've heard good spool around 3300-3500 RPM.

Model Number : 6031RS
Horsepower Rating (rated by comp. wheel) : 580hp
Compressor Cover : T04S 4" Inlet / 2.5" Outlet
Lbs / Min : 58

Compressor Side Specifications
Wheel Diameter : 59mm
Wheel Inducer : 2.320"
Wheel Exducer : 3.000"
Wheel Trim : 60

Turbine Specifications
A/R Ratio : .63
Wheel Style : T31
Wheel Trim : 76

I would have to say the my perfect set-up would go as follows
FP3565
FP 3'' O2 Housing
3'' Downpipe
3.5'' Cat-back
Bosch -044 Fuel Pump
-8 Feed from tank to rail
Aeromotive Fpr
FIC 1150's
Ferrea SS Valves
Crower Springs Ti Retainers
Fp2x's
Ferrea Bronze Guides
Ferrea Seals
Ported and Polished head
Eagly rods mated to JE/Ross
AEM EMS
TiAl wastegate
TiAl bov, in black
SBR race fmic
ACT 2600
Fidanza Fly-wheel
Prothane motor mounts
Shep dog-box
4 Spider diff
Driveshaft shop axles
Hallman Boost controller
Magnus intake manifold
8 pt. Cage
16'' Kosei K1's/Rota Slip Streams with some Hoosier QTP's

This would be pretty much a full out race car, with limited street time.

That's pretty close to what I've got, and it's not cheap!!!! Trust me.

I know its not cheap, i've got about 90% of the stuff listed sitting in my room.

Unless you get a 6 or 4 puck disk, that ACT 2600 is going to be a little light for that turbo & set-up. Otherwise...nice list off power adders!

definately a nice list... $$ tends to be the biggest factor though.

I'm going to keep track pretty close what I put into the new project, just to see what it really takes... when's slo pony day? better get off my arse and get something done!

Oh I know the 2600 won't last, I dont intend on it lasting too long. I just need it to last a while until I can save up for a Quarter Master Twin Disc. I've got reciepts totaling over 8.5k in just parts I've got sitting, I still have to pick my head up from the machine shop. Shit just keeps adding up.