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 Sep 23 2006, 01:59 PM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin.  Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389  |
Damn Marcus...that's a hell of a pricey engine meltdown
Want to buy a 12 sec 14b setup???   A ls6 would move a Talon down the track pretty nicely, and $1600 would get you going pretty quick down that route. I'd rather see the Talon return under it's "normal" powerplant, but a V8 sure would be a interesting exercise in fabrication and originality. Downside would be duration of the build up. -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Sep 25 2006, 10:06 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
Damn Marcus, I leave town for a few days and you go to blowin' stuff up! I have to say that I have admired your determination thus far. Perhaps you are ready for a change but only time will tell. Maybe the fire will strike you again in the middle of the cold winter. Sorry for your loss
-------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Sep 25 2006, 11:54 PM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,985 Joined: 30-June 03 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 150 |
QUOTE (BudmannG @ Sep 22 2006, 03:51 PM) Marcus, My dad always told me if the horse throws you, You get back on and ride it. I know partially how you feel with my car. But I cannot say it has been as long as yours. I know you are not giving up on this car. Sometimes we just have to walk away for a couple of weeks, months and think the proccess through again. Good luck with getting her back together. I am pulling for you. You and everyone else here on the board knows that this is feasable. It is just going to take the right parts to get r done! as to your statement bud.... I have always said the same thing, however... in the case of kicks... his horse has thrown him several times.... in his cercumstance.... I say, shoot the horse and get a better one.... however kicks, it looks as though you may just climb back up again after all... brave, very brave... I would have thrown in the towel a long time ago, matter of fact, I have come close several times and I haven't had near the bad luck you have... glad to hear that the Talon may run once again after all. BTW... take it that this is why I didn't see you at the autoX??? -------------------- You CAN sleep in your car, but your CAN NOT race your house!!!
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Sep 26 2006, 06:43 AM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
QUOTE (gsxracer80 @ Sep 26 2006, 05:54 AM) in his cercumstance.... I say, shoot the horse and get a better one....  Hahahaha... Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!And yeah, NC & I were tuning the Talon for the autocross and...whatever when she shucked a rod. No Auto-x for me and my dad decided to hold off for a day of morning the POS Talon. 
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Sep 26 2006, 07:25 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Here is a pic of the carnage NC & I could pick-up off of the road after the rod let go! You gotta love the beating that rod took. WOW!
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-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
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Sep 26 2006, 08:00 PM
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 Post Master Group: Members Posts: 729 Joined: 19-September 02 From: New Baden, IL Member No.: 7 |
Commence Rod Explosion Dodging
-------------------- -The original (member) 007. Stop looking at me Spy!!
-98 S-10 P/U creepin' low on stock 15s!! -You come off just a little more intelligent if you know how to spell the insults in addition to saying them |
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Sep 26 2006, 08:04 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Hahaha...No kidding!
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
Greatness comes from the most unexpected places! |
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Sep 26 2006, 08:05 PM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 25-June 04 From: 61554 Member No.: 314 |
I want to see pix of were it came out at
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Oct 20 2006, 08:46 AM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Ok, I've had some time to cool down and re-evaluate my opinion of my Talon and DSM's in general.
After talking to a number of folks and doing some studying, I feel that DSM's are still one of THE greatest all around, all-year sports cars ever made for the money... to a certain power level. My opinion is that power level is somewhere between 300 and 400HP economically speaking. I do know that DSM's can and are made to support more power. However, I now feel that to do this effectively a corresponding budget needs to be implimented to keep things together & rolling. If I were to go big again, I would want to use brand new equipment built for the sole purpose of high HP. I would still be looking at a stroker motor, but I would use an aftermarket crank, a set of High end rods and pistons with the short block machined and assembled by the companies with DSM racing experience. In short there is a lot of power that can be pumped through the 4G6x engine, but it all comes down to sticking with a goal that you know you can stick to and afford. In my case that will be the 300-400HP level that I already know produces a lot of smile factor as a driver. I've currently got Tommy's 2.0 Buscher StageIII short block on the line which is advertized to be good for 700HP. This should keep me in good safe territory and I can not pass up the deal since Treydawg had to pass on it. So for now I will be working out the details on what to keep and what to reduce in size. In reality if I were still building from the 14b base I would upgrade to an EVO3 16g, but since I already have a used GT3052 I'm considering seeing how it spools up on this motor. If it doesn't spool fast enough I would surely sell it for the EVO3. I will also need to get a couple more mainstream cams and get rid of my stroker cams as they are too big for the 2.0. I will keep all of my FMIC, radiator and fuel system intact since it will all surely be enough to handle either turbo/engine combo. Then hopefully I can spend more time driving, tuning, cleaning and upgrading things like suspension and etc. 
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
Greatness comes from the most unexpected places! |
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Oct 20 2006, 09:45 AM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
Sounds like a plan stan...
-------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Oct 20 2006, 09:51 AM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,404 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Fletcher/Bloomington Member No.: 214 |
Good plan buddy! Lets hope this one stays together.
-------------------- "I hear he tunes the space shuttle also...and that thing is fast"
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Oct 20 2006, 10:00 AM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Well the 'plan' is to make it stay together for a while and forego all out HP.
I'm trying to eliminate any questionable variable and run about half the HP that the short block is capable of. So unless there is more breakage for no apparent reason then I SHOULD be ok. -------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
Greatness comes from the most unexpected places! |
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Oct 20 2006, 10:18 AM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
I'll be the first to call you out then!
 Glad to hear your keeping it. -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Oct 23 2006, 10:06 AM
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 Post Master Group: Members Posts: 908 Joined: 7-October 03 From: Chillicothe, IL Member No.: 182 |
I'm going to be PISSED if this one has the same part throttle knock issues.
-------------------- GVR4 866/1000 = the perpetually broken car
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Oct 23 2006, 03:18 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
Yeah, in the back of my mind I'm hoping that going back to a standard 2.0 I will be able to avoid some of the strange occurances I have been experiencing over my 3 year stroker battle. And that is one of the most annoying ones I would like to put behind me. Well that and the engines coming apart.
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
Greatness comes from the most unexpected places! |
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Oct 23 2006, 11:28 PM
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 Post Master Group: Members Posts: 864 Joined: 12-July 05 From: Illinois Member No.: 556 |
WEll, i have to say I am amazed at the amount of trouble the stroker motor has caused you. Even though I havent been on the board as long as most I have never seen or heard of anyone having as much trouble. Maybe the stroker motors are just not cut out to be as good as they say, who knows.
Well, since i passed it up I guess you will have to show me what I missed out on. Good Luck! -------------------- "One of the most Crazy and Undecisive Members in central Illinois"
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Oct 24 2006, 06:49 AM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
I should clear that up a bit. I still believe in strokers, and like I said if I were going to go big again it would be with a stroker. Only, I would buy the best parts and possibly shortblock available if I did so.
I feel that I am a really good shade tree mechanic at best. I'm beginning to wonder if I have the experience (knowledge & patience) to build full-on race motors correctly. So over the past three years I have attempted to put together what I now relize was a full-on race motor, on a shoe string budget, with used parts that were not optimal from the start, learning about these strokers as I went. Trial and error alone took it's toll on many of the parts and I feel played a big roll in a rod finally coming out of the block. So are strokers bad news... I don't think so. You just have to know your limits (budget & experience) and do it the right way the first time. Otherwise you will get caught up in the snow ball or domino effect as each incident builds up to another. Thanks on the Buscher Stage 3 motor though. I hope I've gone far enough over the top to make a safely running DSM for a good couple of years.
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
Greatness comes from the most unexpected places! |
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Nov 15 2006, 12:52 PM
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DSMCentral Godfather Group: Admin Posts: 3,823 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Washburn Member No.: 26 |
I picked up my fresh Buscher Stage 3 short block Monday night. It looks just as good as you would expect. Got the oil pan with it since mine got ventilated. Thanks to Tommy for a incredible deal.
Tha Talon is in the garage. So I just need to start tearing her back down to have the radiator repaired and have the cylinder head checked. Then I'll get new gaskets and misc. pieces required to finish it in a couple weeks. So by the beginning of the year I should have a pretty wicked, over the top 2.0 race motor...detuned for daily driver status and longevity!
-------------------- In Loving memory of David T Crebo
Greatness comes from the most unexpected places! |
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Nov 15 2006, 01:00 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
Excellant!
Can't wait to see her on the street, and race her (and lose) at the track! -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Nov 15 2006, 02:15 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard Group: Members Posts: 2,404 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Fletcher/Bloomington Member No.: 214 |
QUOTE (black92_tsi_awd @ Nov 15 2006, 01:00 PM) Excellant! Can't wait to see her on the street, and race her (and lose) at the track! I second that motion! -------------------- "I hear he tunes the space shuttle also...and that thing is fast"
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