Feb 23 2006, 01:27 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,404 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Fletcher/Bloomington Member No.: 214 |
In an effort to repel those itchy keyboard finger posts, lets talk about something constructive. What are your plans in 2006? what are your goals? with which car? and what are doing to get there right now?
Me? I'm working on the Talon again. I took it apart again in late December. You would think that after three years of working on it without driving it would make a guy go crazy, NO. You ask why I took it apart? To make it faster. Man cannot live on just a basically stock car alone. Therefore, plans are in the making to build something different. This something different will be based around the stock motor, until it blows up (knock on wood). Goals include making a street worthy track monster that will run quicker than the average bear on the stock turbocharger (for now). Right now, I'm not doing anything. I am however, going broke on go-fast parts. These parts include but aren't limited to: Eprom ECU GM MAFT fuel tank-to-filter line Hi-flow fuel filter Full Throttle AFPR 3in turboback exhaust 2.5in intercooler pipes Supra SMIC 780cc injectors and some misc. maintenance mods. How about you? -------------------- "I hear he tunes the space shuttle also...and that thing is fast"
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Feb 23 2006, 01:35 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
Trying to sell the vr-4 off, then hope to find a clean 92 AWD to tear up the streets... or maybe park in the garage for the next 3 years (if I keep it that long).
Seriously though, I'd like to build up a nice 11 sec 16g car that can handle some twistys... ambitious, probably. -------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Feb 23 2006, 01:36 PM
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![]() Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
Turbo, I don't think that's enough to beat me....
But I shouldn't taunt with my engine OUT of the car right now!! Our plans seem very similiar. I'm going to go with getting a bigger inlet/outlet on the SMIC and maybe 550 injectors. -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Feb 23 2006, 01:45 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,404 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Fletcher/Bloomington Member No.: 214 |
Believe me Black, I'm leaving out several select ingredients to my mixture that will definitely help me overtake your car.
-------------------- "I hear he tunes the space shuttle also...and that thing is fast"
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Feb 23 2006, 01:58 PM
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![]() Post Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 780 Joined: 14-July 04 Member No.: 338 |
QUOTE (turbohcar @ Feb 23 2006, 01:45 PM) Believe me Black, I'm leaving out several select ingredients to my mixture that will definitely help me overtake your car. Absolutely. There have to be a FEW secrets in the mix. I'm going the same route Brett is with the Goat-o sled. It's in the garage, on stands, disassembled. Plans are ripping out all the sound deadening, unnecessary parts, brackets and the like. A fiberglass center console will be fabbed housing various switches and knobs that control some things that I don't care to mention. New paint all around in addition to the very minor body work required. Suspension upgraded. Bigger turbo Injectors in the 700 range. Engine pulled, bay cleaned and repainted and refurbed. Repair of wiring harness hack job done by a wannabe electric tech Custom guage pod ACT 2900 Fidanza Flywheel Racing seats???? Having said all my plans for '06, it's important to note that they may only be completed by Dec '06!! -------------------- QUOTE (gsxracer80 @ Oct 31 2006, 12:41 AM)
thanks hcar.... I am still massaging that area trying to get it ready... ![]() |
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Feb 23 2006, 02:14 PM
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Post Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 908 Joined: 7-October 03 From: Chillicothe, IL Member No.: 182 |
By May I want to.....
Have the laser running in good stock form. 1g MAS, 450cc injectors, 15psi The galant should be sporting a reringed engine w/o BS ported 14b or evo16g(depending on funding) my big FMIC EVO3 Exhaust manifold/O2 housing to a full 3" exhaust tuned EPROM ECU 510cc injectors at 48psi 2g MAS My goal is a solid 12 second galant at full weight. -------------------- GVR4 866/1000 = the perpetually broken car
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Feb 23 2006, 02:21 PM
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![]() Post Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 810 Joined: 9-July 03 From: Bloomington, IL Member No.: 151 |
Ummm....my DSM runs, and my plans for 2006 are to keep it running.
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Feb 23 2006, 02:28 PM
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DSMCentral Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 396 Joined: 10-January 01 From: Peoria, IL Member No.: 8 |
The car is going under the knife. We're going to fix her chest(hood) up. Some skin graphs (paint), a heart transplant(GT type turbo), lipo-suction(plasma cutter) and add some more safety features(cage update). It may be done in the next 2 months.
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Feb 23 2006, 06:04 PM
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![]() Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
QUOTE (turbohcar @ Feb 23 2006, 01:45 PM) Believe me Black, I'm leaving out several select ingredients to my mixture that will definitely help me overtake your car. Hmmmm....we'll have to see, I like a challange! Don't worry, I got a few things up my sleeve too. And it looks like in a couple months, the Talon won't be my daily driver anymore, so I've got more options for speed now! Hey Goat, leave the paint for later. It'll get you to the track sooner! -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Feb 23 2006, 06:32 PM
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![]() DSMCentral Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Peoria Heights Member No.: 59 |
Plans for the Talon. Get everything together and running. Stock internal 2.0 to get it back on its feet. But by late 2006 it should be sporting a new built 6 bolt stroker with large turbo and front mount IC. Many details to come in warmer months and should be making its debut at Cordova soon.
But now I have a 92 Laser FWD turbo that is screaming for attention. So I am going to strip cut and remove everything on this car that has little to no purpose (AC, interior, sound deadening material, everything from the wiper motor to the radio wiring and bumpers to door and body reinforcement material) keeping the motor stock and 14b in place. This ugly little teal monster is going to be my budget racer once I finish the Talon. My go cart on crack with no safety in sight, hell I would pull the driver seat and put in a milk crate for the seat if I could. |
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Feb 23 2006, 06:54 PM
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![]() Post Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 729 Joined: 19-September 02 From: New Baden, IL Member No.: 7 |
Plans for me include dropping the dime (that's s10 for you who don't know) at least 5 inches all around, making it almost impossible for a 12oz "soda" can to fit between the ground and frame rails. OH YEAH!!!
Plans for my DSM: None, I ain't got one bitches!!!! It's almost awkward not hearing about any problems with this or that when a mechanic changes the oil. I am usually stunned. -------------------- -The original (member) 007. Stop looking at me Spy!!
-98 S-10 P/U creepin' low on stock 15s!! -You come off just a little more intelligent if you know how to spell the insults in addition to saying them |
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Feb 23 2006, 08:17 PM
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![]() Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 25-June 04 From: 61554 Member No.: 314 |
my plan is to get the GVR4 to run 12.99 or better.
mods 3" turbo back frank jr. 550's eprom set for 550's 8k rev SAFC would like to get a good frount mount for it. my plan for the AWD TSI..... to make it drivable it's need a timming belt badly. -------------------- ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
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Feb 23 2006, 08:53 PM
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Info Seeker ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 92 Joined: 28-February 05 From: Quad Cities, IA Member No.: 465 |
building my extra block and head so I can still drive the car with the "stock" block thats in it.
Ross Pistons .020 over Eagle Rods new front cover/oil pump ARP everywhere new bearings/misc. Head: JAM valve springs SS valves Bronze Guides FFWDConnection.com L2 cams mild "clean-up" port work All this should be done sometime Late summer early next fall. Im planning on putting the motor in the car sometime then. Im taking my time as far as buying parts so I dont break the bank. I just ordered pistons and rods last week, the build-up begins Lol -------------------- 1992 TSi AWD, Auto swapped
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Feb 23 2006, 10:46 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
I hope to have the engine back in the car and running by April. Who wants a piece of the overweight A/T?
-Injen Cold Air Intake -Greddy Type-S BOV -Greddy IC Piping all around -FP Ported Big16G -Ported O2 Housing -Ported EVO III Exhaust Mani -APEXi N1 Downpipe -APEXi N1 Catback -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Feb 24 2006, 09:19 AM
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![]() Post Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 780 Joined: 14-July 04 Member No.: 338 |
QUOTE (black92_tsi_awd @ Feb 23 2006, 06:04 PM) Hey Goat, leave the paint for later. It'll get you to the track sooner! I'm so torn on this issue!! I want to do the paint while the car is torn apart right now, but I'm also dying to get it on the road. My inner DSM is fighting with my inner Aicraft Mechanic. "Get that bitch on the road!!!!" "No, we must inspect every bold for corrosion and structural integrety!!!" "Man, balls with that! You'll fix it when it breaks!" "No, no, no. Do it right the first time and it'll break less!" "Who cares? It's gonna break one way or the other!" "But there needs to be weight reduced, machined alumnium to be installed!" "GET THAT BITCH ON THE ROAD!!!! NOW!!!!" The battle gets worse as the climate brightens. Oh boy, I don't know what's gonna happen. -------------------- QUOTE (gsxracer80 @ Oct 31 2006, 12:41 AM)
thanks hcar.... I am still massaging that area trying to get it ready... ![]() |
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Feb 24 2006, 09:30 AM
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![]() Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 25-June 04 From: 61554 Member No.: 314 |
QUOTE (99Spyder @ Feb 23 2006, 10:46 PM) I hope to have the engine back in the car and running by April. Who wants a piece of the overweight A/T? -Injen Cold Air Intake -Greddy Type-S BOV -Greddy IC Piping all around -FP Ported Big16G -Ported O2 Housing -Ported EVO III Exhaust Mani -APEXi N1 Downpipe -APEXi N1 Catback you should buy a hight stall converter. with my A/T dead looks like you will have the fasted auto on the site. -------------------- ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
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Feb 24 2006, 10:52 AM
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![]() Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
[quote=The Iron Goat,Feb 24 2006, 09:19 AM] [/QUOTE]The battle gets worse as the climate brightens. Oh boy, I don't know what's gonna happen.
I feel your pain..I still have a fender in the shed to replace the one with the huge rust hole in it. Too busy wrenching to keep it alive and trying to make it faster to take the time to replace it!! -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Feb 24 2006, 05:32 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,404 Joined: 16-December 03 From: Fletcher/Bloomington Member No.: 214 |
QUOTE (The Iron Goat @ Feb 24 2006, 09:19 AM) The battle gets worse as the climate brightens. Oh boy, I don't know what's gonna happen. What color are you going to? Are you going with an original (or close to original) color or are you doing a complete change? If it's close to original you may be able to get away with doing it with everything back together. -------------------- "I hear he tunes the space shuttle also...and that thing is fast"
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Feb 24 2006, 09:40 PM
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![]() Post Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 780 Joined: 14-July 04 Member No.: 338 |
QUOTE (turbohcar @ Feb 24 2006, 05:32 PM) What color are you going to? Are you going with an original (or close to original) color or are you doing a complete change? If it's close to original you may be able to get away with doing it with everything back together. It's going to be a deep cinnamon red metallic. I really want to strip the car down to the frame and do a thorough inspection of all the parts, though. I just can't justify what's half-assing it in my mind when it's just sitting in the garage and doesn't need to be driven. The engine will be out soon, and that's the big part of the battle. -------------------- QUOTE (gsxracer80 @ Oct 31 2006, 12:41 AM)
thanks hcar.... I am still massaging that area trying to get it ready... ![]() |
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Feb 24 2006, 09:47 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
A true perfectionist at work!
-------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Feb 24 2006, 10:47 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
QUOTE (mitsu90 @ Feb 24 2006, 10:30 AM) you should buy a hight stall converter. with my A/T dead looks like you will have the fasted auto on the site. I have thought about a high stall but if I go that route then I should also proably look at a LSD. Not sure if I can drop that kind of loot into a A/T setup... -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Feb 24 2006, 10:50 PM
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![]() Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 25-June 04 From: 61554 Member No.: 314 |
just think about leaving the line with 15psi.
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Feb 24 2006, 11:09 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
Can't argue with that
First one to get their A/T on the road wins DSMCentral fastest A/T award! Why is yours dead? -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Feb 24 2006, 11:12 PM
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![]() Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 25-June 04 From: 61554 Member No.: 314 |
I killed it.
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Feb 26 2006, 01:35 PM
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Info Seeker ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 93 Joined: 19-August 05 Member No.: 589 |
550cc injectors, Safc, Ported 2g manifold and ported 2g o2 housing, Big/evoIII 16g, FMIC, tuning tuning tuning...I want to run 16-18psi daily, and have the car running for all of the meets coming up (chi dsm meets, AMS bbq, dsmcentral drag day)....
I don't think I will take it to the track this year, Im on the stock 70,000 mile clutch, and the stock 15yo headgasket and head studs... Hmmm...I need a job -------------------- -Josh
*ChitownDSM* - '90 Talon Tsi AWD - PTE 50trim, FP Cams, Rebuilt 6 bolt ++ - '91 Talon Tsi AWD - Totalled (1/14/07) 12.79 @ 112.5mph on the stock clutch :) |
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Feb 26 2006, 09:18 PM
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![]() Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,995 Joined: 27-November 04 From: Yates City IL Member No.: 389 |
Chicago_DSM
Why don't you replace that clutch before you sink all that money in the new turbo etc. That way you can play with what you got instead of having to baby it around with a bunch of horsepower that you can't put down. -------------------- 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD "The Black Golfball" How fast can a 14B go???
91 Chevy C1500 "Problem Child" **SOLD** 01 Impala DD 07 Trailblazer Wife's new DD Cars run on blood, sweat, and horsepower... Without the first two, you can't get the last" SOB Racing "Sitting On Blocks" |
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Feb 26 2006, 09:19 PM
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DSM Tech Wizard ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,256 Joined: 10-January 01 From: central IL Member No.: 10 |
QUOTE (black92_tsi_awd @ Feb 26 2006, 09:18 PM) Chicago_DSM Why don't you replace that clutch before you sink all that money in the new turbo etc. That way you can play with what you got instead of having to baby it around with a bunch of horsepower that you can't put down. Got a definate point. -------------------- The fastest car I own is a minivan....
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Feb 26 2006, 09:56 PM
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![]() Person of Wisdom ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 110 Joined: 5-May 03 From: Granite City, IL Member No.: 128 |
Well im looking to get my car running right now. I bought a bum 6 bolt motor to put in my late 92 talon and now im rebuilding it. I went with a set of arias pistons on the stock 1G big rods, Clevite Bearings, ARP's all around and a Cometic head gasket. The head was rebuilt recently so ill just re use it. Bolt on's are an internally gated PTE 50 trim turbo ( Ill sell it for an internally gated buschur 20G), 650cc injectors, Buschur front mount IC and pipes, 3" exhaust w/ high flow cat, GM MAS and Translator, 2G exhaust manifold, 3000GT Fuel Pump (ill go bigger eventually) and rewire, Adjustable FPR ( probably an Aeromotive), 90 air to oil cooler, Accel 8mm plug wires, NGKBPR7ES plugs, Gabors Feramic clutch (looking for a 2100 lb pressure plate) and a 1G BOV.
I did a scratch hone on the block tonight and it came out pretty good. there are a couple of scores but nothing I can feel with my finger nail. Next step is to get the new piston ( 1 piston had a burn spot in it ) on the rod and have the other 3 cleaned, then I have to put the new rings on and bearings and then its re assembly time. -------------------- Drew Taylor; 1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
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Feb 27 2006, 10:03 PM
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i am in the process of putting a turbo 90 laser motor into a 92 eclipse gs. hence the name eclaser. i have both cars completly torn apart. my garage has never seen so much clutter. i am pretty much leaving the car stock for now. i have an act 2100 clutch,metal head gasket, balance shafts removed, new timing belt and all that goes with that, some of the free mods, i think my brother is trading me a 14b turbo for it. i would like to get new exhaust if i have the money. this is the first dsm i have ever owed so i have been asking alot of questions. i hope to be done in a few months but right now i dont see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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Feb 27 2006, 10:15 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
QUOTE (ncgalant @ Feb 23 2006, 03:14 PM) Have the laser running in good stock form. 1g MAS, 450cc injectors, 15psi Where did this laser come from that you are talking about? New acquisition? -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Feb 27 2006, 10:18 PM
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![]() Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 25-June 04 From: 61554 Member No.: 314 |
QUOTE (99Spyder @ Feb 27 2006, 10:15 PM) QUOTE (ncgalant @ Feb 23 2006, 03:14 PM) Have the laser running in good stock form. 1g MAS, 450cc injectors, 15psi Where did this laser come from that you are talking about? New acquisition? better watch out for that laser it a bad motorscooter. -------------------- ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
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Feb 27 2006, 10:26 PM
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Web Administrator Yo! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 516 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Mackinaw, IL Member No.: 376 |
QUOTE (mitsu90 @ Feb 27 2006, 11:18 PM) QUOTE (99Spyder @ Feb 27 2006, 10:15 PM) QUOTE (ncgalant @ Feb 23 2006, 03:14 PM) Have the laser running in good stock form. 1g MAS, 450cc injectors, 15psi Where did this laser come from that you are talking about? New acquisition? better watch out for that laser it a bad motorscooter. and a bad go-gettah? -------------------- Fast & Furious on the outside...DSM under the hood!!!
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Feb 27 2006, 11:01 PM
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Post Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19 |
Well, let's see, I've got a welded center diff, pretty much the only change so far.
I still have a crunchy 2nd gear, and nothing at all behind the flex section of the exhaust now. I think it broke when I took the car off some sweet jumps. Apparently you can hear it idle from 300ft away in the basement of the Urbana city building. -------------------- Eric Wort
87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans) 92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim) |
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Feb 28 2006, 01:39 AM
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![]() Post Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 729 Joined: 19-September 02 From: New Baden, IL Member No.: 7 |
QUOTE (wortdog @ Feb 27 2006, 11:01 PM) I think it broke when I took the car off some sweet jumps. Did you get like 3 feet of air? -------------------- -The original (member) 007. Stop looking at me Spy!!
-98 S-10 P/U creepin' low on stock 15s!! -You come off just a little more intelligent if you know how to spell the insults in addition to saying them |
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Feb 28 2006, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE (99Spyder @ Feb 27 2006, 10:15 PM) QUOTE (ncgalant @ Feb 23 2006, 03:14 PM) Have the laser running in good stock form. 1g MAS, 450cc injectors, 15psi Where did this laser come from that you are talking about? New acquisition? Yea, I'm using a DSM as a DD again. Something I said I'd never do. She used to belong to asiankid91. I've currently got a 1g maf back in her and am running an eprom to compensate for the 550s that are still in it. After going from the GM MAF back to a 1g I can honestly say I NEVER want to run a translator. -------------------- GVR4 866/1000 = the perpetually broken car
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Feb 28 2006, 04:23 PM
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Post Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 25-September 02 From: Urbana, IL Member No.: 19 |
QUOTE (JBone @ Feb 28 2006, 07:39 AM) QUOTE (wortdog @ Feb 27 2006, 11:01 PM) I think it broke when I took the car off some sweet jumps. Did you get like 3 feet of air? Maybe a foot or so -------------------- Eric Wort
87 White Buick Turbo 'T' (11.71 @ 116.5, 1.61 60ft, slipping trans) 92 Teal Eagle Talon TSi AWD (burn victim) |
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