 Need suggestions for built 90 awd, what do u think i need next? |
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  Jul 27 2004, 12:12 PM
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Info Seeker  Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 6-November 02 Member No.: 38  |
Hey guys i am finally getting along to building my 90 tsi awd, and i was wanting to know of ANY suggestions on the next mods, i looked at the staged upgrades and i am kinda lost on where to go next i will tell u what i got so far,
on new rebuilt bottom end--- new chrom-moly rings arp rod bolts new rod bearings new main bearings balance shaft eliminator kit new front case along with new water pump, upper headgasket kit, new arp head studs, new manifold stud kit, new timing belt kit obviously, along with a few other small things vacuum lines are all coming off, going by taboos website, no a/c or charcoal canister the car so far has.... big 16g getting 3" exhaust has 3" intake walbro 190 fuel pump (plus fuel pump rewire) k&n air filter new redesigned lifters pocketlogger getting UICP crushed bov a few more mods i cant think of off the top of my head boost gauge, water temp, a/f gauge <-- useless a/f gauge boost controller mods coming within the next month- to month and a half afc 550-660 injectors DSM Chip FMIC I want this thing to just be able to annilihate about any car in town, evos, sti's, ls1`s and anything else at the track, Let me know anything and everything you guys think, comments questions suggestions, even constructive criticism, i plan on upgrading to a "large"  turbo in a year or 2, so i need suggestions on what to get ready for
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Jul 27 2004, 12:14 PM
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Info Seeker Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 6-November 02 Member No.: 38 |
sorry, also got new tranny- transfer case, act 2600 and mitsu throwout bearing
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Jul 27 2004, 12:23 PM
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 Post Master Group: Members Posts: 658 Joined: 7-October 03 From: Pekin Member No.: 181 |
ditch the afc for a maf-t. you'll never regret it.
I'd skip the uicp if your gettin a FMIC. cause hard pipes are like 300 total. almost halfway to a fmic. walbro 255 and an AFPR |
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Jul 27 2004, 12:29 PM
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 Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,035 Joined: 31-March 04 From: Chambana Member No.: 268 |
Nice to see another 90 here on the boards.
 sounds like a nice set up. QUOTE no a/c or charcoal canister If you care about room in your engine bay relocate your battery to the back. also, what do you have for traction on that car? wheels/tires? all the power is a no go if you can't hook up. -------------------- game over.
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Jul 27 2004, 02:23 PM
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 DSMCentral Freak Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Mahomet Illinois Member No.: 287 |
wouldn't the AFC be more acurate than the MAF-T?
-------------------- it's not a dsm unless it's leaking something
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Jul 27 2004, 02:37 PM
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Info Seeker Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 22-March 04 Member No.: 261 |
Not more accurate, you can tune in smaller increments. Basically, if you want to worry about those 4% in between clicks of the MAFT, pay $200 and buy an AFC. If you look at the prices, $250 and you can get a GM MAF, MAFT, and the 2.x chip. If you go with the SAFC, you are going to spend $200 on the AFC plus what ever it costs for the 2g MAF, air filter, intake pipe. A lot of people run a MAFT and a SAFC.
It just depends on the level at which you want to tune your car. Plus, if you think of it this way, if you're a little too rich and you want to get that f/a ratio down, TURN UP THE BOOST 
-------------------- Eric
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Jul 27 2004, 02:38 PM
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 Post Master Group: Members Posts: 972 Joined: 30-October 02 Member No.: 34 |
From what I've seen in terms of real world performance, I'd go MAF-T everytime.
Less restriction on the intake Good tuning. New version offers 1% increments I believe. Good price. Actually cheaper than S-AFC Can support better numbers on a serious build-up Just my $0.02 -------------------- |
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Jul 27 2004, 04:20 PM
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 Zen Master DSM Group: Moderators Posts: 3,008 Joined: 10-January 01 From: in front of you Member No.: 5 |
QUOTE (KOU In3 @ Jul 27 2004, 02:38 PM) From what I've seen in terms of real world performance, I'd go MAF-T everytime. Less restriction on the intake Good tuning. New version offers 1% increments I believe. Good price. Actually cheaper than S-AFC Can support better numbers on a serious build-up Just my $0.02 I'll add a couple pennies to that.
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Jul 27 2004, 04:24 PM
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Info Seeker Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 6-November 02 Member No.: 38 |
what do u think of the chips at www.dsmchips.com ? any thing worth a shot? it sounds like they could get that dialed in pretty good, what kinda hp range do u think i would be at with this whole setup?
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Jul 27 2004, 04:28 PM
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Zen Master DSM Group: Moderators Posts: 3,008 Joined: 10-January 01 From: in front of you Member No.: 5 |
I have a stage 3 chip from dsmchips. You can't really tune fuel with it but it has a lot of other nice features like stutterbox and rev limit increase. You can't beat the value. But you do nead an Eprom ECU to install the chip into.
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Jul 27 2004, 05:01 PM
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 Post Master Group: Members Posts: 774 Joined: 28-October 02 From: Pekin Member No.: 32 |
TUNE THE CAR!!! You can spend all the money you want, and it seems like you have done quite a bit to the car, but tuning is the difference between a mid-13 sec car and a mid 12 sec car.
-------------------- 2009 Scion Tc
1994 Del Sol Si 1991 Talon TSi AWD 1990 Mustang GT FOR SALE!!! |
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Jul 27 2004, 05:18 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,035 Joined: 31-March 04 From: Chambana Member No.: 268 |
QUOTE TUNE THE CAR!!! not to mimmick nate... but i'll add a couple of penny's to that. I'm a little bit guilty of the same syndrome. Buying a lot of parts, can make it a real pain when get everything in and the car doesn't function properly. Then you have a lot of things to trouble shoot. go one step at a time, test and tune... my worthless .02 -------------------- game over.
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Jul 27 2004, 08:28 PM
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Info Seeker Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 6-November 02 Member No.: 38 |
after its built and i buy the other stuff i am sure one of you guys would help me tune it for some cash, correct? i am all the way in southern/central illinois but i would more then happily drive up to have one of you help me tune this beast
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Jul 27 2004, 08:56 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,035 Joined: 31-March 04 From: Chambana Member No.: 268 |
we can log it in champaign for you at the Kou Shop. Shop time is $30 an hour.
-------------------- game over.
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Jul 28 2004, 11:03 AM
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Person of Wisdom Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 4-February 03 From: IA Member No.: 78 |
QUOTE (xian 1g @ Jul 27 2004, 08:56 PM) we can log it in champaign for you at the Kou Shop. Shop time is $30 an hour. Dyno tuning would be better. There's an AWD dyno just east of St. Louis. -------------------- '90 Talon TSi AWD
300 awhp _________________ ...here's your sign... |
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Jul 28 2004, 12:55 PM
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Eats and sleeps DSM jargin. Group: Members Posts: 1,035 Joined: 31-March 04 From: Chambana Member No.: 268 |
Dyno tuning is king, and it also is more expensive. If you have the cash, it's the best route to go.
-------------------- game over.
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